The downfall of Dinesh D'Souza

[Hollywood Jack]

How so?



No such thing. The extreme left end of the spectrum is fascism and authoritarianism and the extreme right end of the spectrum is anarchy. There is no such thing as anarchistic authoritarianism lol. Now, there are forms of fascism/authoritarianism that are based on right wing social and moral tenets. So perhaps you could call that right wing collectivism. But in terms of strictly government structure and philosophy there is no right wing authoritarianism. Even if you are talking about a theocracy. The social and moral tenets may be right wing/conservative but the actual structure of the government is still left wing due to it's collectivist premise.

The thing that made Hitler's government a facist and authoritarian one wasn't the Nationalist portion of his platform...it was his Socialism portion. You can be a non-authoritarian Nationalist...but you can't be a non-authoritarian Socialist.

But at a certain point this can turn into a semantics debate. The important point to take away is that your average conservative trump/republican voter is not going to be voting and supporting a collectivist ideology that says individual rights and liberties are provided by and subject to the "state". There is no part of the conservative ideology that is going to support censoring free speech, limiting gun rights, censoring the free press, stopping the right to free assembly, high taxes and regulations, ect. The minute they do they begin to be non-conservatives.

Trump is not an ideological conservative. Never has been, never will be. He was a Democrat for much of his life. He was never really a liberal Democrat, though. He's almost completely devoid of any real ideology. He aspires for authoritarian control, but lacks the intellect, discipline and organization needed to truly achieve it. He seems to favor people who flatter him and strike him as tough, regardless of their ideology. Hence, he liked liberal Democrat Omarosa because she said nice things about him and was vicious.

Completely disagree. The extreme left end is communism, not fascism. Granted, when you go so far right or so far left, you basically become a mirror image of your ostensible enemy. It also basically becomes about authoritarian control at some point. For instance, North Korea started off communist and then became more fascist. And China instituted capitalist reforms to the communist system in order to save themselves from economic collapse, but still maintained authoritarian control.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Hillary is no more criminal then any lifelong politician and much less then Trump

She's the underboss of the Clinton Crime Family. She was set to takeover as boss before she got knocked off by fellow gangster Trump. The Clinton Foundation is incredibly corrupt. Her and her husband were one of the original Koch Brothers paid politicians. He was involved in the Barry Seal CIA drug smuggling operation, specifically the base in Arkansas. He got Barry Seal out of jail to protect himself and the CIA. He's a serial sexual predator and she helped defend him and ruin the reputations of his victims, just like she disparaged a child rape victim to help her client get off back in the 70s, while calling herself a feminist.

 

[Quequeg]

She's the underboss of the Clinton Crime Family. She was set to takeover as boss before she got knocked off by fellow gangster Trump. The Clinton Foundation is incredibly corrupt. Her and her husband were one of the original Koch Brothers paid politicians. He was involved in the Barry Seal CIA drug smuggling operation, specifically the base in Arkansas. He got Barry Seal out of jail to protect himself and the CIA. He's a serial sexual predator and she helped defend him and ruin the reputations of his victims, just like she disparaged a child rape victim to help her client get off back in the 70s, while calling herself a feminist.

Believe the propaganda if you like, why couldn't the Republican pin a thing on her after endless attempts?

 

[lilelvis]

Believe the propaganda if you like, why couldn't the Republican pin a thing on her after endless attempts?

You still believe there is a difference between the D's and R's?

Look up Ken Star's history. Look at Comey's history. The Bush/Clinton government was a dynasty. The links are uncanny. Look at their attorneys, there accountants. It's a fucking embarrassment that it can be in the public record and no one gives a fuck.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I gained some better understanding by carefully reading what Shelby Steele had to say. It was extremely ignorant of me to deny that some whites have an advantage in the USA and Canada.

It's not the extent of it, as color-focused laws in the past have shaped cultural expectations and the formation of social capital today, in addition to wealth.

 

[Jack V Savage]

She's the underboss of the Clinton Crime Family. She was set to takeover as boss before she got knocked off by fellow gangster Trump. The Clinton Foundation is incredibly corrupt. Her and her husband were one of the original Koch Brothers paid politicians. He was involved in the Barry Seal CIA drug smuggling operation, specifically the base in Arkansas. He got Barry Seal out of jail to protect himself and the CIA. He's a serial sexual predator and she helped defend him and ruin the reputations of his victims, just like she disparaged a child rape victim to help her client get off back in the 70s, while calling herself a feminist.

Is this satire? It's pretty much impossible to tell if so, as there are people who make these kinds of claims in full seriousness.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Is this satire? It's pretty much impossible to tell if so, as there are people who make these kinds of claims in full seriousness.

The Clintons are corrupt criminals. What facts are you disputing? Barry Seal was allowed to operate in Arkansas at an airport which Clinton himself flew in and out of at the time. The local, state and federal government was aware of it and allowed it to happen because they got payoffs in the form of money or other compensation. Clinton has always been involved with shady people from Seal to Seth Rich to Jeffrey Epstein, who flew him on "The Lolita Express" over two dozen times, including when there were underage girls on the plane. Trump also was close to Epstein and was famously quoted as saying: “I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Yeah, that swamp ain't getting drained anytime soon...

 

[Jack V Savage]

The Clintons are corrupt criminals. What facts are you disputing?

It's mostly batshit crazy, and it's phrased hysterically ("underboss of the Clinton Crime Family"--surely you realize that sounds insane). The Clinton Foundation was an extremely highly rated charity that did a lot of good work, and there was not the slightest evidence of any corruption. That was fabricated from whole cloth for the campaign. The drug smuggling stuff is completely crazy. The attacking Clinton for working as a defense attorney. It's all just totally irrational. You guys are living in a fantasy world, and only staying in an echo chamber prevents you from seeing how it sounds to normal people who aren't caught up in the cult.

 

[Quequeg]

The Clintons are corrupt criminals. What facts are you disputing? Barry Seal was allowed to operate in Arkansas at an airport which Clinton himself flew in and out of at the time. The local, state and federal government was aware of it and allowed it to happen because they got payoffs in the form of money or other compensation. Clinton has always been involved with shady people from Seal to Seth Rich to Jeffrey Epstein, who flew him on "The Lolita Express" over two dozen times, including when there were underage girls on the plane. Trump also was close to Epstein and was famously quoted as saying: “I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” Yeah, that swamp ain't getting drained anytime soon...

Pretty good, you left out Pizzagate, Hillary having dozens of people killed, and selling our Nukes to Russia.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

It's mostly batshit crazy, and it's phrased hysterically ("underboss of the Clinton Crime Family"--surely you realize that sounds insane). The Clinton Foundation was an extremely highly rated charity that did a lot of good work, and there was not the slightest evidence of any corruption. That was fabricated from whole cloth for the campaign. The drug smuggling stuff is completely crazy. The attacking Clinton for working as a defense attorney. It's all just totally irrational.

What about all the money they smuggled out of Haiti in the aftermath of the January 2010 earthquake and relief efforts there? You've got to wonder how much the Haitian community's hatred of the Clintons contributed to her loss in Florida, a state that Bill won twice as well as Obama. I wonder if she got a lower percentage of the black vote in Florida, where a large percentage of the black population is of Haitian descent?

A Haitian protester outside New York's Hofstra University, scene of the first presidential debate in September

Edit: Did some research, and Hillary only got 84% of the black vote in Florida, which sounds like a lot, but is actually really fucking low for a Democrat. Not just Obama, but also Kerry and Gore and Bill all got considerably higher percentages. And she won other states with over 90% of the black vote, like in Michigan where she had 92% of the black vote. It seems fucking over Haiti ended up fucking her over in the long run.

https://mic.com/articles/159402/her...ericans-voted-in-the-2016-election#.S6bp9kkHv

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Pretty good, you left out Pizzagate, Hillary having dozens of people killed, and selling our Nukes to Russia.

I deal in facts, not bullshit.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What about all the money they smuggled out of Haiti in the aftermath of the January 2010 earthquake and relief efforts there?

That obviously didn't happen. As I said, you're living in a total fantasy world. Is it possible that enough people in Florida were gullible enough to believe that to swing the election? Seems unlikely, but who knows? Not really relevant to the fact that the accusation is false and comically implausible.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I deal in facts, not bullshit.

"Facts" like Clinton is a drug dealer, the CF is some kind of corrupt organization, the Clintons stole money from Haiti are just as crazy and unsupported as Pizzagate.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

"Facts" like Clinton is a drug dealer, the CF is some kind of corrupt organization, the Clintons stole money from Haiti are just as crazy and unsupported as Pizzagate.

I didn't say he was a drug dealer, but it's well documented that there were corrupt local, state and federal officials involved in Barry Seal's operation, and when Seal was finally arrested, Clinton had him freed from jail. Flight records show that he flew in and out of that airport multiple times while Seal was operating there, just like flight records show that Clinton took over two dozen trips aboard "The Lolita Express". There's a lot of unaccounted money collected by the Clinton Foundation in Haiti. The Clintons enrich themselves through donations from suspect sources and tax write-offs just as much, if not more, as they help poor people via their foundation. They also got exorbitant fees for foreigners to stay in the White House and some questionable corrupt pardons like Seth Rich.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

That obviously didn't happen. As I said, you're living in a total fantasy world. Is it possible that enough people in Florida were gullible enough to believe that to swing the election? Seems unlikely, but who knows? Not really relevant to the fact that the accusation is false and comically implausible.

An unusually high number of black people in Florida refused to vote for Hillary. You think it's mere coincidence that Florida has the largest Haitian population in the US and that many Haitians hate the Clintons for what they did in Haiti and that subsequently Florida was Hillary's worst-performing state with regards to the black vote? It's not all that hard to connect the dots there.

 

[Jack V Savage]

An unusually high number of black people in Florida refused to vote for Hillary. You think it's mere coincidence that Florida has the largest Haitian population in the US and that many Haitians hate the Clintons for what they did in Haiti and that subsequently Florida was Hillary's worst-performing state with regards to the black vote? It's not all that hard to connect the dots there.

Read my post again. People could believe this lunacy (I don't know how many did), but it doesn't make it true. And WRT the other post, repeating false (and ridiculous) assertions and claiming falsely that they are well-documented doesn't make them true. My God, I didn't realize how deeply out of touch you were from reality.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Read my post again. People could believe this lunacy (I don't know how many did), but it doesn't make it true. And WRT the other post, repeating false (and ridiculous) assertions and claiming falsely that they are well-documented doesn't make them true. My God, I didn't realize how deeply out of touch you were from reality.

It's lunacy to think that the fact that Hillary had her worst performance among the black voting population nationwide in Florida, which also has the largest Haitian population in the country and is aggrieved about what the Clintons did there, and that there is some causation or at least correlation there? If Hillary had the percentage and the turnout of the black vote in Florida that Obama and other recent Democrats got, she would have won. Romney actually got a higher percentage of the white vote than Trump. Black voters were turned off by Hillary and she got a lower percentage and perhaps more importantly a lower turnout. No doubt that her actions in Haiti, as well as in the US with mandatory minimums and referring to black youths as super predators, contributed heavily to that.

You don't think the Barry Seal drug operation in Arkansas, the largest in US history, involving the CIA and local, state and federal officials is well documented? Did Bill Clinton not make the call that sprung him out of jail when they had him dead to rights? Did a local prosecutor not go to prison for corruption in the case? Did Bill Clinton not fly in and out of that airport while he was governor and Seal was operating out of there? You think he had no idea what was going on there? You don't think he was a serial sexual predator and that Hillary helped coverup his crimes and discredit/silence his victims? That Bill Clinton did not have more than two dozen recorded flights aboard "The Lolita Express"? That he didn't ditch the Secret Service several times while on said trips? Okay then...

 

[Fawlty]

Seal was a DEA rat. I'm unaware of him ever being a CIA asset.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's lunacy to think that the fact that Hillary had her worst performance among the black voting population nationwide in Florida, which also has the largest Haitian population in the country and is aggrieved about what the Clintons did there, and that there is some causation or at least correlation there?

It's lunacy to think that they stole money from Haiti. It's so far removed from the realm of possibility that you sound deranged.

You don't think the Barry Seal drug operation in Arkansas, the largest in US history, involving the CIA and local, state and federal officials is well documented?

The connection between the Clintons and the drug operation is not documented at all, and your assertions along those lines are batshit crazy. And so on. I mean, it seems like it's giving this craziness too much respect to even engage it.

 

[helltoupee]

It's mostly batshit crazy, and it's phrased hysterically ("underboss of the Clinton Crime Family"--surely you realize that sounds insane). The Clinton Foundation was an extremely highly rated charity that did a lot of good work, and there was not the slightest evidence of any corruption. That was fabricated from whole cloth for the campaign. The drug smuggling stuff is completely crazy. The attacking Clinton for working as a defense attorney. It's all just totally irrational. You guys are living in a fantasy world, and only staying in an echo chamber prevents you from seeing how it sounds to normal people who aren't caught up in the cult.

I would kind of overall agree with you about the craziness of CT theories, however stating that everything negatively reported about Hillary is all false is just as naive as saying it's all true.

You don't get to where the Clintons are without getting your hands a little dirty.