The drug JDS failed for has shown up in tainted supplements & medications, including in painkiller

Irishwhiskey119 said:
I love how JDS passed USADA tests over and over an now i'm supposed to believe he used a PED now.

I'll let the idiots assume he's dirty.
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You appear to be misunderstand how the tests are meant to catch people.

As I understand it, most PEDs used by athletes clear their systems pretty quickly (by design). To fail any individual test, you have to get pretty unlucky (ie, get caught in the wrong part of your cycle). The major effect of this is to limit PEDs used to those that clear the system pretty quickly, and to force fighters to use masking agents and designer drugs that stay ahead of tests.

The aspects of USADA that make it effective at catching and controlling (not eliminating) PED usage is:

1) repeat, randomized tests;
2)long term storage and re-testing of samples; and
3) biological passports.

Repeated, random tests create a lot of risk for fighters on any sort of gear, because you can get hit a the wrong time in a cycle and pop! You lose two years of your career.

Long term storage and re-testing allows testers to (theoretically) catch up to cheats later, so even if you win now, you can pop years down the road.

Finally, the biological passport allows USADA to track changes in the athletes biological markers over time. Since most gear throws these way out of whack, over a long enough time period,the idea is that you can flag inexplicable results and penalize fighters on that basis alone.

Long story short, a negative test does not prove that a fighter is clean. Conversely, a negative test (assuming the B sample confirms it) is pretty conclusive evidence of PED usage (although it does not confirm intentional usage, which is how Romero squeaked away with a minor suspension).

I am not an expert on this by any means, so if a more knowledgeable poster wants to weigh in, I am open to being corrected.

Edit: None of the above is to say that JDS took the substance on purpose. I am open to being convinced it was inadvertent.

The only one of these stories that has been remotely believable so far was Romero's, though.
 
Kenny Powerth said:
USADA needs to get their shit straight before they 1) start ruining peoples reputations 2) have fights called off (affecting people's financials) and 3) last butt not least, pissing us (the fans) the fuck off
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USADA has their shit together. Guys just need to stop juicing.
 
He should have went prescription free like the Just Bleed Guy.

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Azure said:
Nothing to do with my life.

It is very simple.. Put something in your body that shouldn't be there and you get suspended and your means of making your lively hood is away from you.

Not sure it is more complex than that. I also bet you are naive enough to think that nobody is on PED's as well. All these guys have Coaches, Trainer and Doctor's who they rely on. Roufussport has a Dr. that runs a Testosterone therapy clinic.
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Imagine if a guy hacks into your grandpa's home WiFi (not a hard thing to do) and download a bunch of kid porn, would you be okay for him being sentenced to life in prison for pedophilia or would you try to set things straight? Now, on top of that, could you imagine someone saying that your grandpa's already old, therefore life in prison is no big deal?

Needless to say that the law is clear: No one should download kid porn from internet, dura lex, sed lex.
 
giusti825 said:
The pharmacuetical industry is regulated by the FDA....if something is in a medication that is not supposed to be there....the drug manufacturer is liable and in huge trouble....

The supplement industry is not regulated.....they could literally put anything into a pill or powder and call it sugar and face no repercussions.....

Its healthier to get nutrition from real food.....fighters shouldn't take supplements and then complain that an unregulated industry lied about their ingredients....

They should either get their supplements tested or do not take them.....

Food is always available for nutrition...if an athlete wants to find an easier or more convenient way to get certain nutrients, the responsibility is on the fighter to ensure there are no steroids or banned substances in them.....
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I agree with most things, real food is healthier, but healthier means fat, fat (within boundaries, of course) is a sign of health. Just compare Diet/Light/Zero Coke against good old OJ. Nobody wants fat in UFC.
It's also is time consuming, expensive (if you consider how often good people rot out after 3 days in the fridge) and so on. There are many reasons why people take supplements instead of regular food, and everybody in UFC do it, kinda moot trying to argue against that, isn't it? I'm not going down that path...

And by testing your food you have to test each sample to make sure, which besides being freaking expensive takes about 2 weeks depending on where you are, but what really blows is that the same food, packed the same way, in the same factory can yield different results from batch to batch.

I actually work with this kind of software that is responsible for scheduling factories' production environments.
 
Pseudo Sane said:
You appear to be misunderstand how the tests are meant to catch people.

As I understand it, most PEDs used by athletes clear their systems pretty quickly (by design). To fail any individual test, you have to get pretty unlucky (ie, get caught in the wrong part of your cycle). The major effect of this is to limit PEDs used to those that clear the system pretty quickly, and to force fighters to use masking agents and designer drugs that stay ahead of tests.

The aspects of USADA that make it effective at catching and controlling (not eliminating) PED usage is:

1) repeat, randomized tests;
2)long term storage and re-testing of samples; and
3) biological passports.

Repeated, random tests create a lot of risk for fighters on any sort of gear, because you can get hit a the wrong time in a cycle and pop! You lose two years of your career.

Long term storage and re-testing allows testers to (theoretically) catch up to cheats later, so even if you win now, you can pop years down the road.

Finally, the biological passport allows USADA to track changes in the athletes biological markers over time. Since most gear throws these way out of whack, over a long enough time period,the idea is that you can flag inexplicable results and penalize fighters on that basis alone.

Long story short, a negative test does not prove that a fighter is clean. Conversely, a negative test (assuming the B sample confirms it) is pretty conclusive evidence of PED usage (although it does not confirm intentional usage, which is how Romero squeaked away with a minor suspension).

I am not an expert on this by any means, so if a more knowledgeable poster wants to weigh in, I am open to being corrected.

Edit: None of the above is to say that JDS took the substance on purpose. I am open to being convinced it was inadvertent.

The only one of these stories that has been remotely believable so far was Romero's, though.
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He took a masking agent that has other uses besides performance enhancing. It's an ingredient that is in other things that have nothing to do with performance enhancing.

I'm not saying he shouldn't serve a penalty but what i'm saying is people can't say he took a performance enhancer without PROOF that he took a performance enhancer. Taking a masking agent does mean he took something that needed to be masked and in this case the diuretic has multiple uses and is in a bunch of different things that he may have taken on accident or just wasn't paying attention to w/e else.

OR he could be completely guilty but i need proof of that before throwing stones and i don't misunderstand anything.
 
Lint2 said:
Imagine if a guy hacks into your grandpa's home WiFi (not a hard thing to do) and download a bunch of kid porn, would you be okay for him being sentenced to life in prison for pedophilia or would you try to set things straight? Now, on top of that, could you imagine someone saying that your grandpa's already old, therefore life in prison is no big deal?

Needless to say that the law is clear: No one should download kid porn from internet, dura lex, sed lex.
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Stupid comparison.. Your talking about somebody committing a crime against somebody vs. somebody not doing their due diligence to check what they are ingesting..

If you can't see that there is not much else to say..These are professional athletes wit ha full support staff. Not only that there are web resources(as posted by somebody else) that can be accessed.
 
Azure said:
Stupid comparison.. Your talking about somebody committing a crime against somebody vs. somebody not doing their due diligence to check what they are ingesting..

If you can't see that there is not much else to say..These are professional athletes wit ha full support staff. Not only that there are web resources(as posted by somebody else) that can be accessed.
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What JDS popped for is a very popular and well known masking agent. That is a main reason why it is banned.
 
tat2man5k said:
When I was in the military, they pulled a pre-workout supplement from the shelves from the on base health stores. I honestly can't remember which one; maybe C4 or Jack3d...anyway, people just started buying them off base, and allegedly started failing drug tests due to something that was in the product. I really don't know all the details, since it was 5 or 6 years ago, maybe more, but it's not that far-fetched that this was the case with JDS. Of course, at this point, ANYONE who pops for PEDs doesn't surprise me any more.
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Seems to me the people dumb enough to buy something that was pulled from the base's shelves deserved to flunk the drug tests. If anything they wanted to get caught.
 
Lint2 said:
I agree with most things, real food is healthier, but healthier means fat, fat (within boundaries, of course) is a sign of health. Just compare Diet/Light/Zero Coke against good old OJ. Nobody wants fat in UFC.
It's also is time consuming, expensive (if you consider how often good people rot out after 3 days in the fridge) and so on. There are many reasons why people take supplements instead of regular food, and everybody in UFC do it, kinda moot trying to argue against that, isn't it? I'm not going down that path...

And by testing your food you have to test each sample to make sure, which besides being freaking expensive takes about 2 weeks depending on where you are, but what really blows is that the same food, packed the same way, in the same factory can yield different results from batch to batch.

I actually work with this kind of software that is responsible for scheduling factories' production environments.
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It is a fighters fault if they test positive while using mystery powder or mystery pills.....

If a company is allowed to put anything in their product, and you take that product, you shouldn't be allowed to cry later when you test positive knowing full well that they can put whatever they want in the damn powder.....

Id compare it to having unprotected sex with a woman who's std status you dont know....

you can go get her tested and be safe, or you can play hide the sausage and complain later that "she said she didn't have anything"....

Be safe or dont complain.....get the tests done.....but dont bitch if the mystery bathtub powder has a bit of testosterone in it from the last 'supplement' they mixed in the bathtub....
 
Mask Of Winters said:
Seems to me the people dumb enough to buy something that was pulled from the base's shelves deserved to flunk the drug tests. If anything they wanted to get caught.
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Could be. I just decided to use GNC's Ravage. Nastiest tasting stuff I've ever used, but it sure gave a serious pump and jolted me for an hour.
 
Either its the athletes responsibility or it isn't.....

If we are going to play the 'not his fault' game......then lets just legalize PEDs instead of having tests where the results only mean that the fighter needs to explain the circumstances.....

If it is the fighters fault (which it should be if we are going to have a drug testing program at all) then just punish him and get it over with.....

All of this wiggle room is annoying....

Just tell fighters not to injest unregulated supplements as it is VERY WELL KNOWN BY NOW that they can put anything in them....

Fighters look stupid as hell nowadays claiming 'tainted supplements'.....like "how did that get in there???"

The same way theyve been getting in there the last 20 years.....because the government doesn't care if you live or die if you're stupid enough to buy bathtub protein powder....
 
Timurd123 said:
They drug test in the military ?!?!

Must be higher ups ?

I mean if mental capacity tests arent included, drug testing seems weeeeeird
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Only for PED's. Not for weed, cocaine, heroin etc. <Lmaoo>
 
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