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I wasn't really trying to argue with you, just putting my own 2 cents on the subject, for whatever it's worth.
Noted especially since he doesnt even understand what the word "both" means...
I wasn't really trying to argue with you, just putting my own 2 cents on the subject, for whatever it's worth.
Pretty disgusting propaganda video, if you ask me. I hate the far right and I'm glad that Unite The Right 2: Electric Boogaloo failed hard, but praising political violence like Antifa is highly irresponsible. The ethics of "punch a Nazi" are questionable to begin with. When you factor in what they count as a "Nazi" and that they've also attacked Bernie supporters and left-wing reporters as well as people across the political spectrum who are NOT Nazis, it become apparent how abhorrent they are.
Yet, The Young Turks, which is considered to be a respectable and legitimate organization on the left, is praising these thugs. I think they need to be held to a higher standard. You wouldn't see Ben Shapiro or somebody on the mainstream right praise/promote neo-Nazis, and if they did, people would come for them HARD, so I don't think TYT should be allowed to praise/promote Antifa without backlash from reasonable people on the right, the center and even the left.
Which side was responsible for killing an non-violent protester?Bullshit. He didn't blame the victims. That's just the narrative you were fed, and willingly swallowed. There was violence on both sides during the protest. Should he just ignore the fact that there were "counter-protesters" swinging clubs and attacking random bystanders?
Should he just have ignored the trend of this happening more and more frequently at the time, whenever a deemed right-wing group (or even a misrepresented "right-wing" group), gathered up?
Far-righters are usually reactionaries and they usually raise their head when there are some far-left loons that they can play with. So it was best to call out both, because that's what was leading to the increased tensions. Not just the far-right, but also the far-left.
you think police violence is a menial social issue? And its obviously intended to be provocative. That tends to be the point of a non-violent protest. And the men and woman who have fought for this country were not fighting for a song or a flag, they were fighting for what they represent. They don't represent a police state that unfairly targets and punishes minorities. They do represent an individual's freedom to protest non-violently. Civil Rights leaders broke the law as part of their protests.Absolutely not. But I would imagine that there are many Americans whose fathers, grandfathers, heck, even their relatives considering America's recent wars, have died fighting for that flag. So to see some pampered up NFL millionaire, living in a luxurious mansion, taking his time of the day to put the spotlight on himself and his menial social justice issues of the day, instead of the show of unity that the flag and the anthem are supposed to represent, that's obviously an intended provocation. And congratulations, you've successfully used the history behind that symbol to accomplish your provocation.
Wrong. They will cease to matter if our society doesn't live up to the ideals it represents.Too bad it wouldn't have been worth shit, if not for all of those people striving, fighting and working to make those symbols mean something, in the first place. The flag and the anthem only means something because people used to stand up for it. So choose your "provocations" wisely. If nobody stands up for the flag, it will cease to matter.
201710010018 2017-10-01 United States Las Vegas Anti-Government extremists 59 851 Business,Airports and Aircraft,Private Citizens & Property
Nice cherry picking.How was the Las Vegas attack an anti-government extremist? Have I missed out on something? From what I gather, the dude was just a mass-murdering loon. There's a bunch of other cases too that have a very questionable "political origin".
Sounds to me like a case of exactly what I've been talking about, misreporting. Should they have reported John Wayne Gacy as a "political extremist" back in the day, too? Were all those serial killers just alt-right white supremacist killers on the loose?
I'm sure that today, they would be.
Trump is not "normal". Well adjusted grown ass men, let alone leaders, don't tweet hateful b.s. against people who have slighted them.As I said, a lot of "normal" things seem weird to Americans, because of the freak show that they are constantly subjected to.
But it's not about numbers, it's about tolerating them. I see it as , oh they're wild and.crazy, but we won't do anything about it. Mayors are tolerating their actions. This means that fringe they may be, they're tolerated and perhaps more popular than you may believeI'm not even talking about Antifa. That was about Shailene Woodley and a couple of other actresses (plus Bernie and a first-term Congressional candidate) who talked to TYT, which the TS said means that they're taken seriously by the left. But Antifa is even fringier than TYT. No exaggeration, Hare Krishnas are more numerous than them. It's just bizarre to me that they'd affect anyone's thinking about political issues, much less their vote.
Which side was responsible for killing an non-violent protester?
you think police violence is a menial social issue? And its obviously intended to be provocative. That tends to be the point of a non-violent protest. And the men and woman who have fought for this country were not fighting for a song or a flag, they were fighting for what they represent. They don't represent a police state that unfairly targets and punishes minorities. They do represent an individual's freedom to protest non-violently. Civil Rights leaders broke the law as part of their protests.
Wrong. They will cease to matter if our society doesn't live up to the ideals it represents.
Nice cherry picking.
https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201710010018
They don't have the answers in that case, so they categorized it based on what was reported.NCIDENT SUMMARY:
"10/01/2017: An assailant opened fire from the Mandalay Bay Hotel on the Route 91 Harvest Festival concert in Las Vegas, Nevada, United States. At least 58 people were killed and 851 people were injured in the attack. The assailant shot and killed himself before police reached him. No group claimed responsibility for the incident; however, authorities identified the assailant as Stephen Paddock, an anti-government extremist. Witnesses overheard Paddock espousing anger over the 1990s standoffs in Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Paddock also expressed concern over the US government "confiscating guns."
Trump is not "normal". Well adjusted grown ass men, let alone leaders, don't tweet hateful b.s. against people who have slighted them.
You're not disturbed by a domestic terrorist teaching children? Teachers are allowed to have personal lives, but I don't think active criminals should be allowed to teach. The double standard here is ridiculous. If she had merely be seen on the right-wing side of one of these protests, just acting peacefully, she would have probably been fired. But she's the ringleader of these thugs and gets a pass.Oh won't somebody please think of the children!!!
I do think people like Trump and Cruz have appeased them too much in order to appease their base which likes Jones to a large extent. However, I would say TYT is generally seen as more respectable than Jones and Co. and for good reason. However, I think they should all be held to a higher standard. TYT praising/promoting Antifa is bad, just like it would be if Infowars endorsed Unite The Right.
If that's the case, then Infowars is a respectable and legitimate organization on the right.
He's actually Cenk's nephew, LOL. Pretty much the only reason why he was hired and will likely never be fired by his uncle. He's like Cenk but with 1/3 the body fat as well as brain cells.lol just watched the video. I would love to punch that goof Hasan. What a overly emotional, misinformation spreading liberal fucktard.
So which Sherdogger is this no name in the video?
eeeek 1/3 of the brain cells?He's actually Cenk's nephew, LOL. Pretty much the only reason why he was hired and will likely never be fired by his uncle. He's like Cenk but with 1/3 the body fat as well as brain cells.
Yeah, he's like the male version of Hannah Cranston, but fortunately for him he's related to Cenk so he didn't get fired like she did.eeeek 1/3 of the brain cells?
Cenk Uygur and his nephew Hasan Piker are Turks. I don't think any of the others are. Ana Kasparian is actually an Armenian and she gets a lot of crap in the Armenian community for working with them. Especially since Cenk has a history of denying the Armenian genocide. To be fair to him, he has changed his mind since then, though.I very much enjoyed their 2016 Presidential coverage. That’s all I know of these people.....are they actual Turks? haha
It's debatable whether they qualify as a domestic terrorist organization or not. But to pretend that political violence is not their goal is completely disingenuous. They're there to violently confront people whose political opinions differ from theirs. They also routinely attack others who get in their way or inadvertently offend them, including left-wing journalists and activists.No, it doesn't fit the definition of a terroristic organization. Their goal is political activism whether or not how much you disagree with it, their goal is NOT political violence, they don't have an actual structure and are a "movement" and they have never committed a terror attack.
It is not a terror attack to counterprotest, stop being a baby.
Um, Justice Democrats are being elected to Congress. TYT/Cenk started that. You keep downplaying their influence for some reason. They're already influential and seem to be on the rise...I'm not even talking about Antifa. That was about Shailene Woodley and a couple of other actresses (plus Bernie and a first-term Congressional candidate) who talked to TYT, which the TS said means that they're taken seriously by the left. But Antifa is even fringier than TYT. No exaggeration, Hare Krishnas are more numerous than them. It's just bizarre to me that they'd affect anyone's thinking about political issues, much less their vote.
Um, Justice Democrats are being elected to Congress. TYT/Cenk started that. You keep downplaying their influence for some reason. They're already influential and seem to be on the rise...
Those pundits aren't getting people elected into Congress. We'll have to agree to disagree on this."Some reason" being that I legitimately and correctly perceive them as having negligible influence. If you want to construct a prediction test and bet on it, I'm certainly willing.
As I said, when I think liberal pundits, I think John Holbo, Scott Alexander, Paul Krugman, Noah Smith, Jon Chait--if you want influence, maybe sub in Matt Yglesias and Ezra Klein for the first two. When I think liberal politicians, it's people like Obama, Warren, Clinton, Biden, etc. No one that supports Antifa. It's just a ridiculous fantasy world the right is living in when they think that there's widespread support for those guys on the left.
the bisons were killed to get rid of the natives while natives got killed as well at wounded knee by european immigrants.
USA has a very democratic history... for german immigrants like donald trump.
It's not their explicit goal. Again, it's not a structured group as far as I know.It's debatable whether they qualify as a domestic terrorist organization or not. But to pretend that political violence is not their goal is completely disingenuous. They're there to violently confront people whose political opinions differ from theirs. They also routinely attack others who get in their way or inadvertently offend them, including left-wing journalists and activists.
Yes it is. Specifically the black bloc. It may be loosely structured, but it's still structured. There are affiliates of Antifa who do not engage in violence for various reasons. These people are unmasked. But when you see someone wearing a mask in public and it ain't Halloween, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he or she is probably up to no good. There is a dedicated part of Antifa that is there to initiate violence. This is well documented. Hell, even unmasked public members/leaders of Antifa like Yvette Felarca have routinely engaged in violence. And indicative of the double standard, she's been allowed out on bail multiple times and allowed to keep her job teaching elementary-aged children and police have been ordered to stand down by the Antifa-sympathizing mayor of Berkeley while her and her cohorts wreak havoc.It's not their explicit goal. Again, it's not a structured group as far as I know.
Well, they get people like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to do interviews with them, they have Justice Democrats and Wolf-PAC, Hollywood celebrities like Susan Sarandon, Rosario Dawson, Shailene Woodley, etc. They're an emerging force on the left. I think they should be more careful and responsible and not promote groups like Antifa.