UFC Fighters are A-Level athletes.

[MadDogMahoney]

Im sorry but hard work isn't enough. You'd know that had you grown up in a football playing country. You can't make it to a top professional team without innate talent

Obviously hard work isn't enough. You need to actually have knowledge. You can't just run around in circles all day and be like: "hey, I'm a footballer now" You need correct training methods and high level coaching.
Dude, talent is bullshit. It's a cop out for people who suck at sports coz they're lazy and dumb. "Oh he's so talented, I could never do anything like that"
And yes, there is a lot of competition at the highest level. There are still plenty of opportunities to play professionally and make a good living.

Edit: Tried to clarify.

 

[tenniswhiz]

They are in level marathon runners not using all body. Boxing is hardest all world know that

Boxing is very demanding.

Every little kid in the world plays soccer as a child.
About 1/1000 kids try boxing.
The talent pool is no comparison.

 

[eiyuu]

$9,000 per fight and $1000 reebok sponsorship seems real tempting LOL

even low level boxers earn $60,000 minimum per fight

Not even close . . .

January 7 - ESPN 2 Friday Night Fights

Mauricio Herrera ($8,500) UD-12 Ruslan Provodnikov ($10,000)
Demetrius Andrade ($8,000) UD-8 Albert Herrera ($6,500)
Lonnie Smith ($800) KO-1 Jose Gomez ($1,800)
Harry Namauu ($2,000) UD-6 Manuel Otero ($1,500)
Richard Contreras ($1,200) KO-1 Juan Tepoz ($1,200)
Oscar Andrade ($1,200) UD-4 Deth'Marcus Hall ($1,200)
Jesus Gutierrez ($1,200) NC Franky Martinez ($1,200)

Total Payouts: $46,300

January 22 - Top Rank Live on Fox Sports Net

Diego Magdaleno ($8,500) TKO-5 Marcos Leonardo Jimenez ($6,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) TKO-4 Eduardo Arcos ($6,000)
Jose Benavidez ($4,000) UD-6 Fernando Rodriguez ($3,000)
Julio Cesar Dos Santos ($2,500) RTD-5 Valente Tinajero ($2,500)
Abraham Han ($2,000) TKO-2 Orphius Waite ($3,000)
Anthony Lenk ($3,000) UD-6 Tyler Pogline ($2,000)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-3 Cain Garcia ($1,500)

Total Payout: $54,000

February 19 - HBO World Championship Boxing

Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)

Total Payout: $827,000

February 26 - Showtime Championship Boxing

Brandon Rios ($125,000) TKO-10 Miguel Acosta ($125,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) UD-8 Gilberto Sanchez Leon ($6,750)
Anthony Lenk ($3,500) TKO-6 Terry Buterbaugh ($2,500)
Andy Ruiz Jr. ($3,000) UD-6 Alvaro Morales ($2,500)
Mike Lee ($5,000) TKO-1 Pablo Gomez ($1,500)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-1 Jamie Gutierrez ($1,500)
Hiromitsu Miura ($600) TKO-1 Ramiro Bueno Jr. ($1,500)
Aaron Garcia ($5,000) MD-4 Alejandro Lopez ($4,000)

Total Payout: $297,350

March 12 - Showtime PPV

Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)

Total Payout: $1,534,500

Yeah . . . great payouts for all them boxers, huh?

 

[MadDogMahoney]

Not even close . . .

January 7 - ESPN 2 Friday Night Fights

Mauricio Herrera ($8,500) UD-12 Ruslan Provodnikov ($10,000)
Demetrius Andrade ($8,000) UD-8 Albert Herrera ($6,500)
Lonnie Smith ($800) KO-1 Jose Gomez ($1,800)
Harry Namauu ($2,000) UD-6 Manuel Otero ($1,500)
Richard Contreras ($1,200) KO-1 Juan Tepoz ($1,200)
Oscar Andrade ($1,200) UD-4 Deth'Marcus Hall ($1,200)
Jesus Gutierrez ($1,200) NC Franky Martinez ($1,200)

Total Payouts: $46,300

January 22 - Top Rank Live on Fox Sports Net

Diego Magdaleno ($8,500) TKO-5 Marcos Leonardo Jimenez ($6,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) TKO-4 Eduardo Arcos ($6,000)
Jose Benavidez ($4,000) UD-6 Fernando Rodriguez ($3,000)
Julio Cesar Dos Santos ($2,500) RTD-5 Valente Tinajero ($2,500)
Abraham Han ($2,000) TKO-2 Orphius Waite ($3,000)
Anthony Lenk ($3,000) UD-6 Tyler Pogline ($2,000)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-3 Cain Garcia ($1,500)

Total Payout: $54,000

February 19 - HBO World Championship Boxing

Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)

Total Payout: $827,000

February 26 - Showtime Championship Boxing

Brandon Rios ($125,000) TKO-10 Miguel Acosta ($125,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) UD-8 Gilberto Sanchez Leon ($6,750)
Anthony Lenk ($3,500) TKO-6 Terry Buterbaugh ($2,500)
Andy Ruiz Jr. ($3,000) UD-6 Alvaro Morales ($2,500)
Mike Lee ($5,000) TKO-1 Pablo Gomez ($1,500)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-1 Jamie Gutierrez ($1,500)
Hiromitsu Miura ($600) TKO-1 Ramiro Bueno Jr. ($1,500)
Aaron Garcia ($5,000) MD-4 Alejandro Lopez ($4,000)

Total Payout: $297,350

March 12 - Showtime PPV

Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)

Total Payout: $1,534,500

Yeah . . . great payouts for all them boxers, huh?

Nice facts brah

 

[FrankieNYC]

Not even close . . .

January 7 - ESPN 2 Friday Night Fights

Mauricio Herrera ($8,500) UD-12 Ruslan Provodnikov ($10,000)
Demetrius Andrade ($8,000) UD-8 Albert Herrera ($6,500)
Lonnie Smith ($800) KO-1 Jose Gomez ($1,800)
Harry Namauu ($2,000) UD-6 Manuel Otero ($1,500)
Richard Contreras ($1,200) KO-1 Juan Tepoz ($1,200)
Oscar Andrade ($1,200) UD-4 Deth'Marcus Hall ($1,200)
Jesus Gutierrez ($1,200) NC Franky Martinez ($1,200)

Total Payouts: $46,300

January 22 - Top Rank Live on Fox Sports Net

Diego Magdaleno ($8,500) TKO-5 Marcos Leonardo Jimenez ($6,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) TKO-4 Eduardo Arcos ($6,000)
Jose Benavidez ($4,000) UD-6 Fernando Rodriguez ($3,000)
Julio Cesar Dos Santos ($2,500) RTD-5 Valente Tinajero ($2,500)
Abraham Han ($2,000) TKO-2 Orphius Waite ($3,000)
Anthony Lenk ($3,000) UD-6 Tyler Pogline ($2,000)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-3 Cain Garcia ($1,500)

Total Payout: $54,000

February 19 - HBO World Championship Boxing

Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)

Total Payout: $827,000

February 26 - Showtime Championship Boxing

Brandon Rios ($125,000) TKO-10 Miguel Acosta ($125,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) UD-8 Gilberto Sanchez Leon ($6,750)
Anthony Lenk ($3,500) TKO-6 Terry Buterbaugh ($2,500)
Andy Ruiz Jr. ($3,000) UD-6 Alvaro Morales ($2,500)
Mike Lee ($5,000) TKO-1 Pablo Gomez ($1,500)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-1 Jamie Gutierrez ($1,500)
Hiromitsu Miura ($600) TKO-1 Ramiro Bueno Jr. ($1,500)
Aaron Garcia ($5,000) MD-4 Alejandro Lopez ($4,000)

Total Payout: $297,350

March 12 - Showtime PPV

Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)

Total Payout: $1,534,500

Yeah . . . great payouts for all them boxers, huh?

You know numbers confuse people

UFC's new min is $12/12k so an average of $18k per
They also get injury insurance

 

[chinarice]

Boxers - A-Level athletes

MMA fighters - D-Level

MMA fighters have a much harder time getting away with PED usage, unlike the free-for-all boxers get.

 

[Vojislav]

Yeah . . . great payouts for all them boxers, huh?

Actually they are great payouts compared to MMA. Boxers who I never heard of got paid bigger purses than top level MMA fighters.

You posted Fernando Montiel getting $250,000. An MMA equivalent of a Fernando Montiel would never get that kind of money. Jesus Soto Karass got $75,000, Leonardo Zappavigna got $65,000 and so on.

You just picked few American boxing cards. You do realize that there are much more boxing cards over the world than there are UFC cards?

Most boxing cards put 1 or 2 good bouts and the rest are fillers. The UFC represents the top 500 or so MMA fighters fighting each other. Can't compare that to boxing journeyman going at it and prospects smashing cans.

Not that I care about how much money they make but you compared apples with oranges here.

 

[-USADA-]

Not even close . . .

January 7 - ESPN 2 Friday Night Fights

Mauricio Herrera ($8,500) UD-12 Ruslan Provodnikov ($10,000)
Demetrius Andrade ($8,000) UD-8 Albert Herrera ($6,500)
Lonnie Smith ($800) KO-1 Jose Gomez ($1,800)
Harry Namauu ($2,000) UD-6 Manuel Otero ($1,500)
Richard Contreras ($1,200) KO-1 Juan Tepoz ($1,200)
Oscar Andrade ($1,200) UD-4 Deth'Marcus Hall ($1,200)
Jesus Gutierrez ($1,200) NC Franky Martinez ($1,200)

Total Payouts: $46,300

January 22 - Top Rank Live on Fox Sports Net

Diego Magdaleno ($8,500) TKO-5 Marcos Leonardo Jimenez ($6,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) TKO-4 Eduardo Arcos ($6,000)
Jose Benavidez ($4,000) UD-6 Fernando Rodriguez ($3,000)
Julio Cesar Dos Santos ($2,500) RTD-5 Valente Tinajero ($2,500)
Abraham Han ($2,000) TKO-2 Orphius Waite ($3,000)
Anthony Lenk ($3,000) UD-6 Tyler Pogline ($2,000)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-3 Cain Garcia ($1,500)

Total Payout: $54,000

February 19 - HBO World Championship Boxing

Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)

Total Payout: $827,000

February 26 - Showtime Championship Boxing

Brandon Rios ($125,000) TKO-10 Miguel Acosta ($125,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) UD-8 Gilberto Sanchez Leon ($6,750)
Anthony Lenk ($3,500) TKO-6 Terry Buterbaugh ($2,500)
Andy Ruiz Jr. ($3,000) UD-6 Alvaro Morales ($2,500)
Mike Lee ($5,000) TKO-1 Pablo Gomez ($1,500)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-1 Jamie Gutierrez ($1,500)
Hiromitsu Miura ($600) TKO-1 Ramiro Bueno Jr. ($1,500)
Aaron Garcia ($5,000) MD-4 Alejandro Lopez ($4,000)

Total Payout: $297,350

March 12 - Showtime PPV

Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)

Total Payout: $1,534,500

Yeah . . . great payouts for all them boxers, huh?

Boxers also earn lot of $$$$$ in sponsorship.

rory mcdonald made $59,000 to get his soul taken by robbie on the co-main of ufc 189 lol.

boxers on PPV cards make double that.

 

[Ilovepizza]

sorry

 

[eiyuu]

Boxers also earn lot of $$$$$ in sponsorship.

rory mcdonald made $59,000 to get his soul taken by robbie on the co-main of ufc 189 lol.

boxers on PPV cards make double that.

No they didn't

I see LOTS AND LOTS of sub $10k payouts in those numbers I posted, when lowest pay in the UFC is $10k/10k

Facts

Deal with it.

 

[eiyuu]

Actually they are great payouts compared to MMA. Boxers who I never heard of got paid bigger purses than top level MMA fighters.

You posted Fernando Montiel getting $250,000. An MMA equivalent of a Fernando Montiel would never get that kind of money. Jesus Soto Karass got $75,000, Leonardo Zappavigna got $65,000 and so on.

You just picked few American boxing cards. You do realize that there are much more boxing cards over the world than there are UFC cards?

Most boxing cards put 1 or 2 good bouts and the rest are fillers. The UFC represents the top 500 or so MMA fighters fighting each other. Can't compare that to boxing journeyman going at it and prospects smashing cans.

Not that I care about how much money they make but you compared apples with oranges here.

No I compared apples to apples

fighter pay to fighter pay

Those were PPV cards and cable cards

A LOT of boxers made less than $10k (when that's the lowest pay in the UFC.)

Hell, there were a few sub-$1000 pays in there!!

Facts

Deal with it

 

[Vojislav]

I see LOTS AND LOTS of sub $10k payouts in those numbers I posted, when lowest pay in the UFC is $10k/10k

Because those guys are journeymen or cans smashed by prospects.

UFC represents top 400 or 500 or so MMA fighters fighting each other. Those guys who got paid 10k are nowhere close being among top 500 fighters in boxing.

 

[-USADA-]

No they didn't

I see LOTS AND LOTS of sub $10k payouts in those numbers I posted, when lowest pay in the UFC is $10k/10k

Facts

Deal with it.

Most of those numbers are from amateur cards. post some ppv numbers

 

[Vojislav]

Those were PPV cards and cable cards

A LOT of boxers made less than $10k (when that's the lowest pay in the UFC.)

Those guys are not the boxing equivalent of UFC-level fighters. They are journeymen and cans or prospects coming up having gimme fights. You can compare them to some regional promotion MMA fights.

Boxing cards are not structured like UFC cards. Apples and oranges.

 

[eiyuu]

Those guys are not the boxing equivalent of UFC-level fighters. They are journeymen and cans or prospects coming up having gimme fights. You can compare them to some regional promotion MMA fights.

Boxing cards are not structured like UFC cards. Apples and oranges.

Yes they are apples to apples

The lower paid UFC fighters don't get on the main card just like boxing and are up and comers and journeyman (hence why there are sometimes guys who fought for titles on the UFC undercards), and some don't even get on TV (Fight Pass prelims)

And the poster I was responding to, said that "even low lever boxers make $60,000 per fight" so you two boxing knobslobberers are now contradicting yourself.

Sorry the facts destroy your argument bro

Actually no, I'm not sorry.

 

[eiyuu]

Most of those numbers are from amateur cards. post some ppv numbers

There are PPV numbers in there.

Try to keep up.

 

[Vojislav]

Yes they are apples to apples

The lower paid UFC fighters don't get on the main card just like boxing and are up and comers and journeyman (hence why there are sometimes guys who fought for titles on the UFC undercards), and some don't even get on TV (Fight Pass prelims)

Sorry the facts destroy your argument bro

Do you understand that boxing cards are structured differently than UFC cards? Do you understand that boxing as a whole is structured differently than the UFC? Is it so hard for you to grasp that?

Boxing is a global sport with multiple relevant fights a week, UFC has few cards a month or not even that. If boxing was structured like the UFC, the guys you listed would not be in the boxing version of the UFC so your comparison is completely irrelevant just like those guys are irrelevant for boxing.

UFC stacks the cards with the best MMA has to offer, boxing cards revolve around 1 or 2 good fights because top boxing talent is spread over the world and fights under different promotions in different cities and countries.

For example on 3. 3. 2018 you're going to have Sergey Kovalev vs. Igor Mikhalkin and Dmitry Bivol vs. Sullivan Barrera in MSG in NY, Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz and Andre Dirrell vs. Jose Uzcategui in Brooklyn, Kell Brook vs. Siarhei Rabchanka in the UK, Avni Yildirim vs. Derek Edwards in Germany and Josh Taylor vs. Humberto Soto in Scottland. That's 7 good and relevant fights on 4 different cards in one day. Most of those guys are going to get paid 6 digit numbers or more. Of course they're going to fill those cards with cans and journeymen fighting on the undercard whereas the UFC would just put them all on one card.

 

[eiyuu]

Do you understand that boxing cards are structured differently than UFC cards? Do you understand that boxing as a whole is structured differently than the UFC?

Boxing is a global sport with multiple relevant fights a week, UFC has few cards a month or not even that.

UFC stacks the cards with the best MMA has to offer, boxing cards revolve around 1 or 2 good fights because top boxing talent is spread over the world and fights under different promotions in different cities and countries.

For example on 3. 3. 2018 you're going to have Sergey Kovalev vs. Igor Mikhalkin and Dmitry Bivol vs. Sullivan Barrera in MSG in NY, Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz and Andre Dirrell vs. Jose Uzcategui in Brooklyn, Kell Brook vs. Siarhei Rabchanka in the UK, Avni Yildirim vs. Derek Edwards in Germany and Josh Taylor vs. Humberto Soto in Scottland. That's 7 good and relevant fights on 4 different cards in one weekend. Of course they're going to fill those cards with cans and journeymen fighting on the undercard whereas the UFC would just put them all on one card.

Your partner in crime said "even low level boxers make $60,000 per fight" so do low level boxers get paid a lot or not?

And still, no amount of your rationalizing is going to change that we are comparing low and entry level fighters to each other.

Apples to apples

Deal with it.

 

[Vojislav]

Your partner in crime said "even low level boxers make $60,000 per fight" so do low level boxers get paid a lot or not?

And still, no amount of your rationalizing is going to change that we are comparing low and entry level fighters to each other.

Apples to apples

Deal with it.

Those boxers are much more lower in the boxing hierarchy than low level UFC guys are on the UFC hierarchy. Plenty of guys you listed are low level boxing guys who got paid 6 digit numbers like Soto Karras. Or is Soto Karras an elite boxer for you?

UFC fighters on undercards are not journeymen like the boxers who got paid under 10k, those UFC fighters have winning records and aspire to be contenders.

You proved my own point with your stats.

 

[eiyuu]

Those boxers are much more lower in the boxing hierarchy than low level UFC guys are on the UFC hierarchy. Plenty of guys you listed are low level boxing guys who got paid 6 digit numbers like Soto Karras. Or is Soto Karras an elite boxer for you?

You proved my own point with your stats.

Undercard UFC fighters aren't elite either. That's why they're on the undercard just like the boxers you talk about.

Face it dude. You're not getting around this.

Just accept the facts already.