Social Uncomfortable Conversations: "The right kind of refugee"

[58miles]

It's good that Canada is so willing to accept refugees but you do have the advantage of a small population and tonnes of space.

Example Canada has 3.4 people per square KM, the UK has 240 people so it's a bit more crowded and we still take in tonnes of refugees.

I'm not Canadian I from the US and despite the fact the we have a population of 330+ million people most of this country is pretty empty we could easily accommodate millions of refugees like the folks from Ukraine, Congo, Eritrea, Yemen ect. and millions more regular immigrants.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

I've already said I don't know how to link Instagram, if you don't want to believe me, go ahead. You haven't provided any sources for your claim that Europeans don't care about Syria.

I've noticed you've liked the below clowns post. His opinion was why tens of thousands o12 year old girls where silenced for 20 years after being gang raped, repeatedly. Several of the abuser even admitted in court that they were targetted for being kaffir slags. These neolibs and leftists are still clinging to their cult of intersectionality rather than admit that they are wrong.



The author of that article is using data from this report, but on page 26 it says that of correctly gathered data, white men make up 30% of offenders, and asian (read: British-Pakistani) make up 28% of offenders. So by absolute statistics they are right. But yet you are being intentionally obtuse or sadistically manipulative. Because white men make up 43% of the Britain, and asian (read: British-Pakistani) make up 3% of the Britain. Anyone with above a double digit IQ can see that asian (read: British-Pakistani) are fourteen times more likely to gangrape rape 12 year olds than white men, using the statistics from the article you thought was your trump card.

Clown.

I think if you actually read the studies linked or mentioned in the article you would find most of the complied statistics used are dubious at best.

CEOP (2011) undertook a data collection with police forces, children’s
services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector, looking at those
allegedly involved in ‘street grooming’ and CSE. Data was returned on
approximately 2,300 possible offenders, but approximately 1,100 were
excluded from analysis due to a lack of basic information. In the remaining
1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was
available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian. Due to the
amount of missing data, both basic offender information and ethnicity
specifically, these figures should be treated with caution.

Thats from the December 2020 home office report on group based child sexual exploitation.

 

[bufetadanacara]

I'm not interested in bringing in any refugees. But if we must, I definitely prefer people who have similar culture, religious beliefs, and moral code to the culture which created the wonderful living conditions which we currently have here.

And please, implement a charitable system where individuals can choose to finance and be responsible for the refugees. Don't obligate taxpayers to finance it.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

It's one of the reasons why I understood when Ukranian border guards were discriminating against South Asian and African students (and males in particular). You come to the country to study, but when shit hits the fan, you want the first ticket out - of course people are going to be upset about that, particularly when they are sending their own citizens to die.

I'm pretty sure those pieces of shit were kicking female African and South Asian students off buses headed for the border also.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Happy for my country to accept refugees, I'm not sure how many but it's a duty for a well off country to do this imo.

 

[Rand M Arthur]

Is abuse by white catholic priest taken in account?

It is from official police figures, so if reported, it will be.

 

[bobgeese]

I'm not Canadian I from the US and despite the fact the we have a population of 330+ million people most of this country is pretty empty we could easily accommodate millions of refugees like the folks from Ukraine, Congo, Eritrea, Yemen ect. and millions more regular immigrants.

How well did we do taking care of the people already here during the pandemic?


Also, do you think money just magically appears to help these people?

 

[milkmandanl]

Did you read the OP ya goof? There have been multiple examples of people on air talking about how the situation in Ukraine is different because of their race. No one's reading between the lines here, the direct quotes themselves read like this

Why shouldn't people point out the obvious racism here? TS didn't even do it in a hysterical way, he did it in a pretty even handed manner and yet that was still enough to get you crying about the race card.

That’s not racist at all. A huge part of the DEI programs in Corporate America expound on and encourage that very concept. The need to have people like me so that I feel comfortable is a KEY concept of DEI.

 

[SanchoMF]

I read parts of the literature review of the Home Office which is suppose to be more detailed. I couldnt find the Home office paper your referring to with pages 75-83 could you link that. The CSE reports says data quality for ethnicity is incomplete and often unreliable due to reporting of ethnicity being done by the output of the officers assigned to case which has lead to mischaracterization of white british and afghan perperators as Asian (South Asian).

I assume we're talking about the same paper (Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation Characteristics of Offending December 2020)?
The paper is very inconclusive, driven (guided) by external consultants. This really doesn't debunk anything, it just makes the case for digging deeper into what's been at play, in terms of organised CSE and the mismanagement of sources and poorly handled investigations. The passages about misdefined terminology used in defining the offenders doesn't really take away the light of problem itself either, which is still quite real.

 

[Halifax]

I'm not Canadian I from the US and despite the fact the we have a population of 330+ million people most of this country is pretty empty we could easily accommodate millions of refugees like the folks from Ukraine, Congo, Eritrea, Yemen ect. and millions more regular immigrants.

And house them where?

 

[Confucamus]

I'm not Canadian I from the US and despite the fact the we have a population of 330+ million people most of this country is pretty empty we could easily accommodate millions of refugees like the folks from Ukraine, Congo, Eritrea, Yemen ect. and millions more regular immigrants.

No, that wouldn't be easy at all. Plus, there are homeless Americans who deserve to be helped first.

 

[Bald1]

I will agree with you with respect to Canada, but there was extremely vocal opposition to Syrian refugees across multiple European countries. While yes, places like Sweden, Germany and England opened their doors, there were others such as Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia, Croatia etc. etc. who outright said no and closed their borders to them.

To reiterate, I think it's within a countries right to decide who to let in, and who they do not. As far as I have seen so far, no country has said "no" to Ukrainian refugees (and I think this is good - we should help if we are able). It's just ironic when a country like Hungary, whose president called migrants and muslims a "poison", are now welcoming refugees with open arms.

I think it's important to acknowledge that there is definitely an idea of "good vs. bad" refugee, which is often associated with skin color, ethnicity and religion. With that being said, there could be legitimate reasons for why people have these associations. The idea of cultural compatibility is an important one, and I understand why people would be less sympathetic to a group who refuses to assimilate, but is willing to accept social assistance, free health care etc.

It's one of the reasons why I understood when Ukranian border guards were discriminating against South Asian and African students (and males in particular). You come to the country to study, but when shit hits the fan, you want the first ticket out - of course people are going to be upset about that, particularly when they are sending their own citizens to die.

Hungary has accepted refugees from Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia. There's a thriving population of south eat Asian immigrants in Hungary. They behave, don't fuck with their women and mess with social norms. It's a country of fewer than 10 million people, with a unique history and a unique language. They've been occupied by one global power after another for 400 years. They just got their freedom to make their own way. Is it any surprise that country would refuse people so socially different from them? Fact is their way of life is enshrined in their constitution so why accept people who refuse to assimilate? If we're to support a countries right to self determination than that idea must be applied evenly and consistently otherwise it's nothing but lip service.

Totally different story from nations with a history of causing global havoc or those with a more diverse outlook.

 

[The XL]

I'm white and I don't want any refugees. I don't want refugees, I don't want us involved in foreign affairs period. I don't care if they have blond hair and blue eyes, or if they're so black they look like they've been tanning on the sun. I simply am not interested whatsoever. Enough is enough already.

 

[The XL]

No, that wouldn't be easy at all. Plus, there are homeless Americans who deserve to be helped first.

Its amazing how little regard our government and the dumb shits who lap up everything they say have for our own people. We have people who are homeless, disabled, poor as shit, veterans, etc who badly need help and all the pieces of shit in our government do is tax and inflate everything to hell to "help" other countries.

 

[SanchoMF]

No, that wouldn't be easy at all. Plus, there are homeless Americans who deserve to be helped first.

Going ahead with that guy's comment unlocks the bonus-level of welfare-supported ghettoes. Here in Europe we're specialised in those..

 

[salamander]

Canada's gonna let in some refugees from Ukraine. A country that has a low vaccination rate, literally the lowest in Europe. Nearly half the population is opposed to the Lemming Juice.

These people don't believe is science, often wave black sun flags:

Do we tolerate these people?

 

[laz0001]

Huh? Basically all of the refugees and migrants taken in by western western countries have been non white for decades.

The Ukrainian refugees are women and children, while the men stayed back to fight. Nobody wants a bunch of 30 year old men refugees who left the women and children behind.

This is correct.

Our local area put up a large hotel for the Syrian refugees. Basically - every morning - we now see groups of 3/4 men all walking together from the hotel into town and back. My wife feels - uncomfortable - around them, as I guess any woman would around groups of strange men.

As a man - it feels weird to be saying it - as surely men have just as much right to be refugees as women and children. BUT - in the case of Syria - there WERN'T any women and children. It's seems to be just men. Where are the children?

That's the difference here - with Ukraine - it's mostly mothers with children.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I think its obvious that in a situation where a country can be pick and choose which refugees they let in it makes absolute sense that they do so based on traits that best suit them. This includes race, religion as well as education, age and cultural factors. Why wouldnt a majority white nation prefer to take white refugees?

Its not even an uncomfortable discussion; I thought this topic was just axiomatic

 

[Cariñito]

Huh? Basically all of the refugees and migrants taken in by western western countries have been non white for decades.

Didnt read what TS wrote
But don't write "Huh?" like some sort of shithead.
Acting Like he said his words too fast and you didnt hear him. Its typed out. Read it again, stupids.

 

[nostradumbass]

Didnt read what TS wrote
But don't write "Huh?" like some sort of shithead.
Acting Like he said his words too fast and you didnt hear him. Its typed out. Read it again, stupids.

Huh?

Do you often find yourself clicking threads to skip the OP but replying to posts anyway crying over someone pointing out the flawed premise of the OP that you didn't read?