International Wagner Claims to Have Shot Down Russian Helicopter, Putin Briefed, Operation Fortress in Play

ColemanwastheGOAT said:
I think what I'm beginning to understand is the war on terror was really demoralizing for us in the west and this russia/ukrsine conflict is the first time in a while that we've really been able to say 'we're the good guys in this one' and that's proving to be really intoxicating for a lot of people.
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Strange conflation imo , it's simple, Ukranians are like us , we feel some kinship also war in Europe reminds us of WW1 and WW2 , it feels close to home .

Add to that for most people there is a clear good side and a bad side in this conflict

As far as the war on terror , war on something nebulous is never going to go well.
 
LeonardoBjj said:
- I've seen some interviews of him. He can hold a technical political consersation, unlike many world leaders. I think thats where some of his admiration comes. Guys like Trump or Bolsonaro here, they are cleary incompetent on their job, but Putin could actually administer a nation,and actually put time studying for his job.
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Agreed , anyone who hasn't seen those interviews really should go find them , they are enlightening imo
 
I feel like this might be the beginning of the end for Putin. He has been exposed as weak and unable to keep stability/people in line. Those were the one things that he had going for him after the chaos that was the (2nd half) of the Yelzin era.
 
Hypetrainhipsta said:
I feel like this might be the beginning of the end for Putin. He has been exposed as weak and unable to keep stability/people in line. Those were the one things that he had going for him after the chaos that was the (2nd half) of the Yelzin era.
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It is so easy to blame ol Yelzin.
He even managed to boost up not gas and crude oil related exports to west and east....

I know that russians are blaming Gorbachev and Yeltsin about fall of USSR.
While IMHO Andropov was more responsible.
I know ppl who had used created by his prohibitions grey and " black " economy.
Beauty for all speculants in underground market.
 
SandisLL said:
It is so easy to blame ol Yelzin.
He even managed to boost up not gas and crude oil related exports to west and east....

I know that russians are blaming Gorbachev and Yeltsin about fall of USSR.
While IMHO Andropov was more responsible.
I know ppl who had used created by his prohibitions grey and " black " economy.
Beauty for all speculants in underground market.
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I'm mainly talking about the rise of the oligarchs and organized crime running wild. We should remember that the guy was an alcoholic (the main reason for Putin's image as a physically strong guy who works out and doesn't drink any alcohol) and how his daughter Tatyana and her oligarch friends pretty much started running the show after his health declined.

I don't think anyone reasonable can blame him for the fall of the Soviet Union, that was a long time coming and the right call.
 
Bacco said:
Guess if you try hard you can claim there is'nt a clear good side, but sure as fuck there's a bad one here
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Prigozhin said in one of his telegram messages that the Russian state, or the army reports, lied for the last 8 years about Ukraine permanently attacking East-Ukraine. I mean everybody with a little brain should know that Putin would not have let them launch rockets for 8 years straight on the russian minortiy in east ukraine.... So, I agree with you, there maybe is not a clear good side but there is a bad one for sure!
 
I wonder how eager new conscripts will be to fight, knowing that Putin gives out pardons to those who turn against their own side
 
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