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Wonder why @ultramanhyata ran from this thread...
No, I'm just smarter than you. And that's not even relevant, as I don't need to be smarter than you to cite to basic facts.
But, if it helps quell your delusions, I did a quick search and found these two threads, which cites back to our original conversation on the matter, including the one where JVS intervened. I cannot find the original one.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/if-it-wasnt-trump.3631933/page-5#post-134555047
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/w...his-legislation.3601171/page-9#post-133171815
In the second one, as always, you just stopped debating the issue instead of admitting you were/are blatantly wrong and uninformed. You did, however, admit that the ACA was funded on the back of the rich to the benefit of the poor and middle class and then dodged when asked how, then, its repeal would benefit the middle class to the detriment of the rich.
Also, you did the same thing on trade deals: demonstrated a superficial and insufficient knowledge of them, made obtuse statements based on that knowledge, and then cried like a bitch when pressed to expound.
So you linked me to the last time you threatened to link me to a previous thread where you apparently destroyed me? What had my point about the burden to the middle class been? That the actual Middle Class gets to pay far more money for far less coverage.
So the insurance companies make money on both ends of the deal, while the middle class losses out.
Your ability to consistently refuse to address that is frankly impressive.
But hey, if that's what you need to do to convince yourself you're smarter than I am, just rock on with that.
There were at least 20 new taxes that came about due to Obamacare. Almost half of them affected householsa making less than 250k a year. But you and @Jack V Savage still seem to think we're talking simply about the tax rate for the middle class. That's unbelievably dense and narrow sighted for self described supreme intellectuals like yourselves....
Again, you're a fucking moron.
A large component of the ACA was raising the floor on coverage standards (and a huge part of the AHCA was removing those floors), price growth was substantially slowed, and the cost of additional subsidies was funded by taxes on the top income earners.
So you cannot support your statement that "the actual Middle Class gets to pay far more money for far less coverage."
There is ample evidence to the contrary, some of which is included in my previous post that I cited to, so I welcome you to provide support for your argument. But you can't, because it's a nonsensical argument and you're a stupid piece of shit.
Wrong. Again. Like always. You idiots cannot even keep your argument straight between "ACA is a failure because insurance providers are dropping out!" to "ACA is a failure because it helps the insurance providers get more money!"
The upward track of health insurance stocks has been held quasi-consistent on the back of fairly elastic profit floors, yes, but maintaining that floor (absent the public option thanks to the GOP dick bags that morons like you voted in) has verifiably held middle-income plans constant through subsidization of taxes on top earners.
There is literally no evidence that profit growth has accelerated, nevertheless that it has done so to the expense of the middle class.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...ealth-insurance-under-obamacare/#d174c6c3c3a2
Just did.
Now time for you to, for the first time in this infuriating whack-a-mole game, to present actual evidence on your claims.
I know who they are I just didn't understand your response to my post.
Wonder why @ultramanhyata ran from this thread...
We're waiting for you to provide proof for your claim (s) in post #208. Don't be scared, homie.WTF are you talking about??
As I've asked you before, one of the many things you've never answered, you don't actually have employee provided insurance, do you?
Or if you do, aren't old enough to have has it prior to the ACA. Your refusal to answer is smart enough.
Only someone whose entire experience with the ACA I'd reading articles from Liberals news sources can say the things you say.
Because at this point you're the only ones they can get to believe that. The fact that you want me to post some sort of link to information about how premiums have consistently risen while the quality of coverage has fallen is all the proof that's needed. Simply outside and ask someone with employee provided insurance. Jesus. Stop attempting to attribute your naivety and lack of life experience to some sort of stupidity on my part. By the way, did you have anything to say about this being a Republican plan, or where you just going to continue to dodge that the way you did the Sub Prime Mortgage Crisis?
LLOOOOLL, a three year old article?!? Was that supposed to be insulting? Because I can't believe you're that stupid.
You are that dedicated to ideology
that you'd something that intellectually dishonest to avoid an objective examination of this Republican Money Grab you can't stop stumping for. Here, let me help you out chief.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/05/top...it-surge-29-percent-to-6-billion-dollars.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/health-care-premiums-rising-obamacare/story?id=43047190
Because the insurance companies are being "forced" to take on all these new preexisting condition coverages, they continue to raise, this year tripling, premiums for people without preexisting conditions, which by the way is literally everyone in country who had insurance before, while actual coverage for those people continues to get worse. That's how their making money while technically losing money on the Obama care plans their providing, and that's how the burden is passed on to the middle class. That 6 billion dollars they made? That's totally from Medicaid and stuff. That resulted in a 30 percent profit increase in a single year.
And if you actually read my posts you'd know I tag @Jack V Savage because he only likes to pretend I'm on his ignore list. He'll fuck up from time to time and quote me while I'm "ignored". So we can add not actually reading to your list of offenses.
I would place it at 500-1 odds...
Not because I believe Trump will peacefully and graciously accept defeat...
But rather, the democrats don't have any viable candidate on the horizon..
Who do they have? Warren? Sanders??
And if Hillary runs again, that's a guarantee victory for Trump
I didn’t say they would help a transition though, so your point about my misunderstanding is wrong. I am only talking about Trump.You obviously don't know or understand who they are as people, that was my point. Those guys aren't loyal to Trump for any reason other than because he's the President, the same way they were to Obama. They'd served in these exact same positions in the exact same way if Hillary had won and had asked it of them. That was my point and what you didn't understand.
Yup. The Traitor proposes preserving the sanctity of American elections and that can't be done during an election cycle. So we'll just defer for a while until it's. . .safer.I'm just spitballing here....
What would happen if President Trump says something to the effect of "We can't ensure that the 2020 election is viable (not tampered with), so it must be postponed until it can."
Absolutely.I hope he pulls a Hillary and comes out with excuses to tarnish the legitimacy of the election and then claim to be leading the resistance. The Dems need a taste of their own medicine.
Absolutely.
Bc political primaries are just like presidential elections where the obvious loser becomes the winner with traitorous help from Russian saboteurs, right?
Taste that medicine my friend.
Yes, my health insurance is provided by my firm.
If you had asked that before, I'd have happily answered it. I had insurance through the ACA on my own for my final year of school.
I don' t care how long you insist that your reality is different than everyone else's and that somehow the universal statistical truth that price growth slowed under the ACA while plan quality was shored up is fake news.
The ACA slowed price growth. Period. And funded subsidies for additional recipients on the back of a tax increase on the rich. Period.
You can keep deflecting and using the whole "real world experience" fallacy instead of providing any actual evidence that what you say exist exists. That's fine. Frankly, I admire the fact that you can warp the fact that you're a career failure and are struggling to pay for health insurance into some kind of argumentative feather in your cap, but it's not going to do anything to further your argument that the ACA increased prices on the average middle class person, nor that it reduced plan quality.
Here's one from 2017, moron.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robbma...p-your-companys-insurance-rates/#78671a983a01
What ideology would that be?
What fucking socialist liked creating a profit floor and effectuating a captive market oligopoly where inflated prices continue to cause people's suffering to maintain the existence of exorbitant and useless profits?
Just because I live in a world where data/basic reality extends to my normative opinions doesn't mean I support this shitty system.
Just LOL @ finding anyone who is an Affordable Care Act ideologue. Really, more than anything, that speaks to how morons like you don't know what the word "ideologue" actually means.
Hey, shit for brains, read the first two paragraphs of that article and realize it is directly contradicting your intended point.
God, how the fuck have you survived this long being so fucking incompetent?
Because the insurance companies are being "forced" to take on all these new preexisting condition coverages, they continue to raise, this year tripling, premiums for people without preexisting conditions, which by the way is literally everyone in country who had insurance before, while actual coverage for those people continues to get worse. That's how their making money while technically losing money on the Obama care plans their providing, and that's how the burden is passed on to the middle class. That 6 billion dollars they made? That's totally from Medicaid and stuff. That resulted in a 30 percent profit increase in a single year.
Cite.
Cite that the average premium for enrollees without preexisting conditions was tripled this year.
I'll wait.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/health-care-premiums-rising-obamacare/story?id=43047190
Because the insurance companies are being "forced" to take on all these new preexisting condition coverages, they continue to raise, this year tripling, premiums for people without preexisting conditions, which by the way is literally everyone in country who had insurance before, while actual coverage for those people continues to get worse. That's how their making money while technically losing money on the Obama care plans their providing, and that's how the burden is passed on to the middle class. That 6 billion dollars they made? That's totally from Medicaid and stuff. That resulted in a 30 percent profit increase in a single year.
Insurers are set to raise the premiums for plans sold through HealthCare.gov by an average of 22 percent in 2017, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a report. This is approximately triple the percentage increase from 2015 to 2016, when premiums increased by 7.5 percent.
Boy, you sure are winner.
Holy whatever god you believe in.
Serious question, do you honestly believe that Russia somehow 'tampered' with the election and 'made' Trump win?
Absolutely.
Bc political primaries are just like presidential elections where the obvious loser becomes the winner with traitorous help from Russian saboteurs, right?
Taste that medicine my friend.