STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Frank23]

Was there any fall out from the six planets being destroyed?

 

[chickenluver]

Do you think Luke just jumped 24 ft. out of Han's cryochamber without being able to move his own body through space?

Holy shit, now you're comparing jumping really high to waking up from being unconscious in space (dead) and pulling yourself to a moving spaceship, and from a person who had never shown any force ability no less. You'll shit on and attempt to misrepresent the OT just to try to make this new failure of a series look good by comparison. You're truly a lost cause.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Thanos was seen previously. He gave Loki the mind stone in the Avengers, causing the primary conflict of that movie. We saw him in Guardians of the Galaxy attempting to manipulate Ronan into getting the power stone for him. We knew he was the adoptive father (kidnapper?) of Gamora and Nebula, that he trained them as killers and that he tortured Nebula when she couldn't beat Gamora in battle. We knew he killed the entire family of Drax. This was all established in multiples movies years before Infinity War. The movie itself concisely gives us his backstory and his motivations for doing what he does. Meanwhile Disney Star Wars presented Snoke as this big bad in two movies without giving us so much as a hint or a clue about his backstory or motivations. He's evil and powerful because the plot demands it, not for any actual reason.

Thank you for making my point for me. You are correct... we know as much about why Thanos is that powerful as we know about why Snoke is so powerful.

Giving a fluffy backstory about how he's this loving stepdad who had "HIS ARMY" destroy Drax's homeland... & Gamora's... doesn't tell us jack sh*t about why he's so powerful that he can beat Hulk & all those Avengers at once... yet you are so blinded by your Marvel elitism that you want Star Wars to explain something that you find perfectly acceptable in the MCU.

That's some mic drop sh*t there. Either explain to me how Thanos is so powerful (within the movie) or drop this bull sh*t about Snoke.

Now all that said... I'm perfectly fine with taking outside of the movie information in. However, if you Marvel elitists want to keep bashing Star Wars for the same crimes MCU comits then we need to break this down & get real about it. You can't have it both wayz... Either the movie has to explain it all or it doesn't.

 

[minute bull]

The big for me is when people hate Leia Poppins because she's had no training but turn around and say some shit like, "Rey being OP would be explained if she was a Skywalker/Kenobi/Palpatine."

#reydooku

 

[Loiosh]

For every Godfather 2 and rise to prominence of Vito Corleone, it seems like there's a whole crap load of The Thing 2011, Terminator: Salvation and Carlito's Way: Rise to Power.

I'm going to watch The Thing 2011 again tomorrow, I remember it being not that bad.

 

[Loiosh]

The big for me is when people hate Leia Poppins because she's had no training but turn around and say some shit like, "Rey being OP would be explained if she was a Skywalker/Kenobi/Palpatine."

#reydooku

The only thing I hated about Leia Poppins was the fact it looked ridiculous.

I had no problems with her being a powerful Force user as it had been talked about so much in the expanded universe.

 

[minute bull]

IT WAS MAGICAL, OLD MAN.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Thank you for making my point for me. You are correct... we know as much about why Thanos is that powerful as we know about why Snoke is so powerful.

Giving a fluffy backstory about how he's this loving stepdad who had "HIS ARMY" destroy Drax's homeland... & Gamora's... doesn't tell us jack sh*t about why he's so powerful that he can beat Hulk & all those Avengers at once... yet you are so blinded by your Marvel elitism that you want Star Wars to explain something that you find perfectly acceptable in the MCU.

That's some mic drop sh*t there. Either explain to me how Thanos is so powerful (within the movie) or drop this bull sh*t about Snoke.

Now all that said... I'm perfectly fine with taking outside of the movie information in. However, if you Marvel elitists want to keep bashing Star Wars for the same crimes MCU comits then we need to break this down & get real about it. You can't have it both wayz... Either the movie has to explain it all or it doesn't.

I'm sorry but this whole line of thought is a false equivalence.

 

[GtehMVP]

Yeah I kinda expected better storytelling in this trilogy. Although tbf to the originals, the Emperor was just so dripping with menace and danger that you didn't need more. Same with Vader, you really don't get that much info on him. They're mysterious, and it works because they make them SO imposing that knowing more about them is almost counterproductive, because it kills the mystery.

In comparison with these films I don't feel that visceral connection to any of the antagonists, so i need to know more if I'm going to get invested in them, and have any sort of tension or stakes.

Totally agree. What betrays the new trilogy right off the bat, and is never fixed (in the films), is not knowing who the first order is, or how they came to power. TFA is built off of the 6 movies prior. The last we know from the films is that the Rebels defeated the mighty Empire. All of a sudden, in TFA, Leia is back to guerrilla warfare style, fighting a poor man's Empire, who are running roughshod over the Galaxy. That shit needed explaining. It's too bad they didn't put it in the movies, because according to the books explanation, it's really cool.


The Empire didn't need a backstory in the first film. The first sequence with the Star Destroyer, and what resulted, told us everything we needed to know.

 

[Loiosh]

IT WAS MAGICAL, OLD MAN.

 

[EvilDDS]

When I hear Kenobi mention the clone wars in the original film I imagine something different than what we got lul. I do this with a few things in the films. Luke and Leia are not siblings in my mind. There was never a second death star. Han was never recused from Jabba's palace. When Yoda says "there is another" it's someone we'll never met and never will.

Hell, when I watch the first film I imagine that Vader is not Luke's father and that the Emperor is not a force user. The movie doesn't make sense otherwise.

If I was walking out of a theatre in 1972 having just seen the Godfather, and someone says "I want to see how the Don became the Don" I might have slapped them. It could so easily have been bad. I think Godfather Part 2 and Empire Strikes Back were a major factor in Hollywood sequels transitioning away from cheap inferior cash-grabs.

Well the point is that the whole story is in the movies. The comics tell a different story. Or more accurately different versions of the same or similar stories. You could read Thanos' comics backstory, but it's different than what we've seen in the movies. For example the whole thing with his home planet falling to destruction due to overpopulation never happened in the comics.

The comics are the source material, the movies are the adaptations (sometimes loose adaptations). There is no equivalency in Star Wars because the movies have never had source material, the books etc. were always meant to be spinoffs of the films.

Everything I said was from the first movie alone. The first half of the first movie in fact.

As I and several others have said before, if the information is not in the film itself than it is useless. If there was so little thought put into the movies that I have to read multiple books explaining what the movies failed to, why should I give a fuck? No series should need the third film to explain the setting, and it shouldn't need supplementary material either.

It isn't that he is not described, it's that he is brushed aside as unimportant despite everything previously indicating he was highly important. He appears to be the cause of everything bad that has happened, yet now he's dead, killed by a guy who has already been defeated by our protagonist, so who cares what happens next?

Don't bother. There is no closure to be had from this franchise.

Thanos was seen previously. He gave Loki the mind stone in the Avengers, causing the primary conflict of that movie. We saw him in Guardians of the Galaxy attempting to manipulate Ronan into getting the power stone for him. We knew he was the adoptive father (kidnapper?) of Gamora and Nebula, that he trained them as killers and that he tortured Nebula when she couldn't beat Gamora in battle. We knew he killed the entire family of Drax. This was all established in multiples movies years before Infinity War. The movie itself concisely gives us his backstory and his motivations for doing what he does. Meanwhile Disney Star Wars presented Snoke as this big bad in two movies without giving us so much as a hint or a clue about his backstory or motivations. He's evil and powerful because the plot demands it, not for any actual reason.

I like this response! Why does it have to turn into a Star Wars vs Marvel thing?

 

[EvilDDS]

Everyone knows Rey own this universe. Infinity War May sniff but it ain’t happening

 

[90 50]

When I hear Kenobi mention the clone wars in the original film I imagine something different than what we got lul. I do this with a few things in the films. Luke and Leia are not siblings in my mind. There was never a second death star. Han was never recused from Jabba's palace. When Yoda says "there is another" it's someone we'll never met and never will.

Hell, when I watch the first film I imagine that Vader is not Luke's father and that the Emperor is not a force user. The movie doesn't make sense otherwise.

If I was walking out of a theatre in 1972 having just seen the Godfather, and someone says "I want to see how the Don became the Don" I might have slapped them. It could so easily have been bad. I think Godfather Part 2 and Empire Strikes Back were a major factor in Hollywood sequels transitioning away from cheap inferior cash-grabs.

Well the point is that the whole story is in the movies. The comics tell a different story. Or more accurately different versions of the same or similar stories. You could read Thanos' comics backstory, but it's different than what we've seen in the movies. For example the whole thing with his home planet falling to destruction due to overpopulation never happened in the comics.

The comics are the source material, the movies are the adaptations (sometimes loose adaptations). There is no equivalency in Star Wars because the movies have never had source material, the books etc. were always meant to be spinoffs of the films.

Everything I said was from the first movie alone. The first half of the first movie in fact.

As I and several others have said before, if the information is not in the film itself than it is useless. If there was so little thought put into the movies that I have to read multiple books explaining what the movies failed to, why should I give a fuck? No series should need the third film to explain the setting, and it shouldn't need supplementary material either.

It isn't that he is not described, it's that he is brushed aside as unimportant despite everything previously indicating he was highly important. He appears to be the cause of everything bad that has happened, yet now he's dead, killed by a guy who has already been defeated by our protagonist, so who cares what happens next?

Don't bother. There is no closure to be had from this franchise.

Thanos was seen previously. He gave Loki the mind stone in the Avengers, causing the primary conflict of that movie. We saw him in Guardians of the Galaxy attempting to manipulate Ronan into getting the power stone for him. We knew he was the adoptive father (kidnapper?) of Gamora and Nebula, that he trained them as killers and that he tortured Nebula when she couldn't beat Gamora in battle. We knew he killed the entire family of Drax. This was all established in multiples movies years before Infinity War. The movie itself concisely gives us his backstory and his motivations for doing what he does. Meanwhile Disney Star Wars presented Snoke as this big bad in two movies without giving us so much as a hint or a clue about his backstory or motivations. He's evil and powerful because the plot demands it, not for any actual reason.

It’s non canon now, But Galen Marek goes to Degobah and Yoda interacts with him, this has to be before Jedi, Simce Yoda is still alive.

He’s my “there is another”. Not Leia.

As for everything else you wrote


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[One MMA Fan]

This was an incredible scene. I went from 'oh boy, Luke just took a barrage from an AT-AT and now Kylo, who got beaten by Rey, is going to give him a fight... c'mon son", to holy shit that was awesome! One of the best twists since Sixth Sense, imo. Didn't like the Luke dying part (way anticlimactic) and the movie still sucked, but this scene...THIS scene; money.

Yea I was going crazy when I saw it

I was also triggered by the lightsaber I was so confused but I loved every second of it.

In retrospect is there any way better to have Luke die ? he was at peace, saved a bunch of lives, didn't kill his own family in fact didn't kill no one and he didn't got cut down in battle or something like that he just went out looking at the suns to echo/parallel the young Luke also looking up at the suns.

C'mon man this was the way to go.. yea we can debate if it should have happened in ep 9 not 8 but this is it.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

You need to reread what you wrote first, and reread what I wrote, and then rewatch the movie because you completely missed my point, mostly because you don’t know what happens in the movie well enough.

I've seen the movie 6 times.

If you don't understand what your gripe is well enough to describe it then I certainly don't have time to try & decipher your hidden code here. As I recall the situation... you said that because they indicated that there's more than one dreadnaught... that makes all the information I posted about how the First order has 30 more Star Destroyers bunk... because that one dreadnaught indicates that the first order had one more ship than we saw on screen.

I'll give you partial credit for that... since they did indicate they had "MORE" military... but I gave you specifics... & I gave you 30 more ships to your one. That's a significant difference. VERY SIGNIFICANT. Each Star Destroyer has 70,000 people on it & 144 tie fighters. & there's 30 of those mother f*ckerz. that's a lot more significant than the one more dreadnaught that you're talking about.

You also failed to acknowledge what I said about the New Republic's military. Until you can present me with evidence from the movie that says the New Republic has a military outside of the one that got blown up in TFA... then you have to admit that my essay had pertinent information. You cannot have a war if one side is wiped out. I showed you that the New Republic has an existing military... & that information is not presented in the movie. It's also a very common misconception among casual viewerz that the New Republic was completely disarmed.... so it seems like the New Republic is a sitting duck... but they are not. You are welcome for me providing that information to you.

You're making a grand stand against me... but I'm just being real. I told you some valid information & you're trying to discredit it for some reason. My info is valid & you're just being an ass trying say otherwise.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

I'm sorry but this whole line of thought is a false equivalence.

2 general statement saying you disagree with me but no specific reasoning.

I tried to make this reply as generic as possible... how'd I do?

 

[BisexualMMA]

I'm going to watch The Thing 2011 again tomorrow, I remember it being not that bad.

"Not that bad" is a fair description. But it's the same way I'd describe something like Lethal Weapon 3 or Predators.

 

[One MMA Fan]

Since we don't have an Ep9 thread yet...



This looks interesting.

I love Keri Russell this is great news hope she has a sizeable role.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Holy shit, now you're comparing jumping really high to waking up from being unconscious in space (dead) and pulling yourself to a moving spaceship, and from a person who had never shown any force ability no less. You'll shit on and attempt to misrepresent the OT just to try to make this new failure of a series look good by comparison. You're truly a lost cause.

Perhaps you have another explanation for how people (not just the Luke example I gave) jump well over 20 ft. on a regular basis. Leg strength? haha... I'm being obviously facsicious... of course not... they fooking projected their own body to move just like they project rocks n sh*t. You don't get that? Please tell me that's not beyond your comprehension. or at least tell me how you think they do it.

Leia wasn't dead... so quit being so dramatic. Geez... everyone who closes their eyes on screen if fooking dead yeah?

You reckon Luke & his sister hung out a bit in the 30 yearz between moviez... lol...

Maybe they just talked about the weather & sh*t. haha....

I don't even need to quote the novels because that's so obvious they had some talks about the force n stuff, but yes it is a fact that Luke trained Leia for a bit.

There is however more Canon information that is exactly the way I described in the post you are rebutting. It says that Leia in her final moments called on the force to show her what was up & when she saw it.... she rocked up & her sheer will engaged the force to project her body. it's no different than moving a rock or a light saber or Luke doing a 1 armed handstand with Yoda sitting on his foot. Same exact technique.

You're making way too much of it. It's very possible & very easy to understand how Mrs. Skywalker could do it.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Yea I was going crazy when I saw it

I was also triggered by the lightsaber I was so confused but I loved every second of it.

In retrospect is there any way better to have Luke die ? he was at peace, saved a bunch of lives, didn't kill his own family in fact didn't kill no one and he didn't got cut down in battle or something like that he just went out looking at the suns to echo/parallel the young Luke also looking up at the suns.

C'mon man this was the way to go.. yea we can debate if it should have happened in ep 9 not 8 but this is it.

I don't think it was ideal. I liked the projection battle with Kylo and that whole sequence in general...until Luke died. All of the benefit of that sequence had been achieved, and he would still have been around for a better death, having been properly built up to in the next film.

With lessons potentially learned and real questions asked: is nonviolent resistance actually a possible path to victory against an evil empire? Did Kylo learn any moral lessons from that encounter to employ in the next one against Luke? Etc.

The force projection fight was one of the only things I would keep from The Last Jedi. It was legitimately well done.

But by simply not killing Jake S. for the f*** of it right afterward, there could have been something rewarding down the road like...



...or...



...or...



...instead of...