Who are the bigger rubes bigfooters or flat earthers

[LEWIS540]

The amount of people SO sure that the earth is round JUST because someone told them it was is staggering.

That's just dumb imo, if you didn't verify it for yourself then don't speak with 100% certainty, especially when it's just second hand information.

That's literally how knowledge/education works, durrrr.

 

[D Train]

I’ve never understood why if the Earth was flat it would be important to keep that a secret.

 

[eternaldarkness]

flat footers. looking at you americans...

 

[danashill]

I find it at least interesting that technical documents, both for for planes and even for rockets seem to always assume a flat, non-rotating plane.

We assume that . . .
•There is a flat Earth. (The Earth’s curvature is zero.)
•There is anon-rotating Earth. (No Coriolis accelerations and such are present.)
http://www.aerostudents.com/courses/flight-dynamics/flightDynamicsFullVersion.pdf

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics; General Equations of Motion for a Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft (Page 2, Section II) ... “In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth are developed…”
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pd

NASA Technical Memorandum 104330; Predicted Performance of a Thrust-Enhanced SR-71 Aircraft with an External Payload (Page 8 - Digital Performance Simulation Description) "The DPS equations of motion use four assumptions ... a nonrotating Earth."
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88507main_H-2179.pdf

NASA Technical Note: A Method for Reducing The Sensitivity of Optimal Nonlinear Systems to Parameter Uncertainty (Page 12 Problem Statement) ... "(2) A flat, nonrotating Earth"
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018599.pdf

Just weird...

 

[minute bull]

I’ve never understood why if the Earth was flat it would be important to keep that a secret.

THAT'S the secret.

 

[rj144]

The amount of people SO sure that the earth is round JUST because someone told them it was is staggering.

That's just dumb imo, if you didn't verify it for yourself then don't speak with 100% certainty, especially when it's just second hand information.

Really dumb way to live life. Do you also not believe the South Pole is cold because you've never been or the sun is hot for the matter?

 

[revoltub]

It's unlikely there's a large man-like primate wandering around and we've magically never found a skeleton or high quality photos or videos. It's way, way, way more unlikely the fucking earth is flat.

That would require SO MANY overlapping conspiracies between entire branches of science and industry that would have to involve nearly everyone in those industries. So much of our tech is based on a round earth. That's really what makes all the flat earth "theories" so mind numbingly stupid.

I'm pretty sure there are known animals weve never found skeletons of.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

This shouldn’t be close. Cryptozoology is nowhere near as out there and retarded as Flat earth theory.

 

[rj144]

I find it at least interesting that technical documents, both for for planes and even for rockets seem to always assume a flat, non-rotating plane.

We assume that . . .
•There is a flat Earth. (The Earth’s curvature is zero.)
•There is anon-rotating Earth. (No Coriolis accelerations and such are present.)
http://www.aerostudents.com/courses/flight-dynamics/flightDynamicsFullVersion.pdf

American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics; General Equations of Motion for a Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft (Page 2, Section II) ... “In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth are developed…”
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pd

NASA Technical Memorandum 104330; Predicted Performance of a Thrust-Enhanced SR-71 Aircraft with an External Payload (Page 8 - Digital Performance Simulation Description) "The DPS equations of motion use four assumptions ... a nonrotating Earth."
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88507main_H-2179.pdf

NASA Technical Note: A Method for Reducing The Sensitivity of Optimal Nonlinear Systems to Parameter Uncertainty (Page 12 Problem Statement) ... "(2) A flat, nonrotating Earth"
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018599.pdf

Just weird...

It's not in the least if you actually know what they're talking about which most flat earthers don't. They can barely read.

 

[minute bull]

I'm pretty sure there are known animals weve never found skeletons of.

Mediocre claims require mediocre proof, tho.

 

[revoltub]

Mediocre claims require mediocre proof, tho.

Its just funny to me that nobody questions certain dinosaurs of which they found a knucklebone and then recreated the rest of the body based on a guess. Double standard.

 

[danashill]

It's not in the least if you actually know what they're talking about which most flat earthers don't. They can barely read.

Wait, what? I do understand and I honestly don't know what all this is, but nasa's technical documents all seem to state this.

Here are some more:
NASA Technical Note; Calculation of Wind Compensation for Launching of Unguided Rockets (Page 8 Trajectory Simulation, 2nd Paragraph) ..."this simulation assumes ... the missile position in space is computed relative to a flat nonrotating Earth"
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040008097.pdf

NASA Technical Paper 2768; User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models (Page 12, Program Overview) ... “Within the program, the nonlinear equations of motion include 12 states representing a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth”
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf

NASA Technical Paper 2835; "User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models" (Page 1, Summary) AND (Page 126 , Report Documentation Page, Section 16) "The nonlinear equations of motion used are six-degree-of-freedom equations with stationary atmosphere and flat, nonrotating earth assumptions."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890007066.pdf

NASA Technical Memorandum; Determination of Angles of Attack and Sideslip from Radar Data and a Roll Stabilized Platform (Page 2, Section 16.) “The method is limited, however, to application where a flat, nonrotating earth may be assumed.”
NASA Contractor Report 186019; An Aircraft Model for the AIAA Controls Design Challenge (Page 11, Equation of Motion and Atmospheric Model) ... “The nonlinear equations of motion used in this model are general six-degree-of-freedom equations representing the flight dynamics of a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth.”
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88248main_H-1777.pdf

NASA Contractor Report 3073; Investigation of Aircraft Landing in Variable Wind Fields (Page 6, Chapter II - Aircraft Landing Model) ... "The Aircraft trajectory model employed in this study was derived based on the following assumptions: a) The Earth is flat and non-rotating. "
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790005472.pdf

NASA Technical Memorandum 81238; A Mathematical Model of the CH-53 Helicopter (Page 17, Equations of Motion) .. "The helicopter equations of motion are given in body axes with respect to a flat, nonrotating Earth."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810003557.pdf

Engineering Experiment Station, Georgia Institute of Technology, Prepared for NASA; Atmospheric Oscillations (Page 10) ... "A model frequently used is that of a flat, nonrotating earth." ... (next paragraph) .. "The most one can profitably simplify the problem is to consider an isothermal atmosphere, plane level surface, and a nonrotating Earth."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650015408.pdf

NASA Tecnical Paper 2002-210718; Stability and Control Estimation Flight Test Results for the SR-71 Aircraft With Externally Mounted Experiments (Pages 10-11 Equations of Motion) ... "These equations assume a rigid vehicle and a flat, nonrotating Earth."
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88733main_H-2465.pdf

NASA Technical Memorandum 100996; Flight Testing a VSTOL Aircraft to Identify a Full-Envelope Aerodynamic Model (Pages 4-5, State Estimation) ... “For aircraft problems, the state and measurement models together represent the kinematics of a rigid body for describing motion over a flat, nonrotating Earth…”
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19880014378.pdf

NASA Ames Research Center; Singular Arc Time-Optimal Climb Trajectory of Aircraft in a Two-Dimensional Wind Field (Page 2, Section II. Singular Arc Optimal Control) ... “In our minimum time-to-climb problem, the aircraft is modeled as a point mass and the flight trajectory is strictly confined in a vertical plane on a non-rotating, flat Earth."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060053337.pdf
C'mon, these are their own TECHNICAL documents.

 

[minute bull]

Its just funny to me that nobody questions certain dinosaurs of which they found a knucklebone and then recreated the rest of the body based on a guess. Double standard.

Except bad science tend to revise itself based on compelling evidence.

The dearth of Bigfoot evidence leads to some wonky declarations.

 

[Mike]

I'm pretty sure there are known animals weve never found skeletons of.

Well... Yeah. How many of them have entire cults dedicated to them with tons of supposedly legit photo and video evidence tho. I'd wager many of those animals are in the rapidly diminishing rainforest

 

[rj144]

Wait, what? I do understand and I honestly don't know what all this is, but nasa's technical documents all seem to state this.

Here are some more:
NASA Technical Note; Calculation of Wind Compensation for Launching of Unguided Rockets (Page 8 Trajectory Simulation, 2nd Paragraph) ..."this simulation assumes ... the missile position in space is computed relative to a flat nonrotating Earth"
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040008097.pdf

NASA Technical Paper 2768; User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models (Page 12, Program Overview) ... “Within the program, the nonlinear equations of motion include 12 states representing a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth”
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf

NASA Technical Paper 2835; "User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models" (Page 1, Summary) AND (Page 126 , Report Documentation Page, Section 16) "The nonlinear equations of motion used are six-degree-of-freedom equations with stationary atmosphere and flat, nonrotating earth assumptions."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890007066.pdf

NASA Technical Memorandum; Determination of Angles of Attack and Sideslip from Radar Data and a Roll Stabilized Platform (Page 2, Section 16.) “The method is limited, however, to application where a flat, nonrotating earth may be assumed.”
NASA Contractor Report 186019; An Aircraft Model for the AIAA Controls Design Challenge (Page 11, Equation of Motion and Atmospheric Model) ... “The nonlinear equations of motion used in this model are general six-degree-of-freedom equations representing the flight dynamics of a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth.”
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88248main_H-1777.pdf

NASA Contractor Report 3073; Investigation of Aircraft Landing in Variable Wind Fields (Page 6, Chapter II - Aircraft Landing Model) ... "The Aircraft trajectory model employed in this study was derived based on the following assumptions: a) The Earth is flat and non-rotating. "
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790005472.pdf

NASA Technical Memorandum 81238; A Mathematical Model of the CH-53 Helicopter (Page 17, Equations of Motion) .. "The helicopter equations of motion are given in body axes with respect to a flat, nonrotating Earth."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810003557.pdf

Engineering Experiment Station, Georgia Institute of Technology, Prepared for NASA; Atmospheric Oscillations (Page 10) ... "A model frequently used is that of a flat, nonrotating earth." ... (next paragraph) .. "The most one can profitably simplify the problem is to consider an isothermal atmosphere, plane level surface, and a nonrotating Earth."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650015408.pdf

NASA Tecnical Paper 2002-210718; Stability and Control Estimation Flight Test Results for the SR-71 Aircraft With Externally Mounted Experiments (Pages 10-11 Equations of Motion) ... "These equations assume a rigid vehicle and a flat, nonrotating Earth."
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88733main_H-2465.pdf

NASA Technical Memorandum 100996; Flight Testing a VSTOL Aircraft to Identify a Full-Envelope Aerodynamic Model (Pages 4-5, State Estimation) ... “For aircraft problems, the state and measurement models together represent the kinematics of a rigid body for describing motion over a flat, nonrotating Earth…”
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19880014378.pdf

NASA Ames Research Center; Singular Arc Time-Optimal Climb Trajectory of Aircraft in a Two-Dimensional Wind Field (Page 2, Section II. Singular Arc Optimal Control) ... “In our minimum time-to-climb problem, the aircraft is modeled as a point mass and the flight trajectory is strictly confined in a vertical plane on a non-rotating, flat Earth."
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060053337.pdf
C'mon, these are their own TECHNICAL documents.

I'm not explaining it because it's above the ability of most people, but yes it's perfectly fine.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Hey dude, If you want to believe everything your told without verifying it yourself then by all means go ahead.

It's dumb , but you wouldn't be the only one.

So if I told you "hey bro you shouldn't eat arsenic, because it'll kill you" you'd try it to verify I'm not lying?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Funny, my direct observations and experiences tell me the earth is stationary and flat. The sun the moon and the stars rotate above us.

How is it logical for something as big as the sun to rotate around us?

 

[rj144]

So if I told you "hey bro you shouldn't eat arsenic, because it'll kill you" you'd try it to verify I'm not lying?

Ha. Nice. Or how about cutting your head off will kill you? I mean I've never done it so I don't know, right? I've seen pictures, but they could be a CIA conspiracy.

 

[danashill]

I'm not explaining it because it's above the ability of most people, but yes it's perfectly fine.

There is really but one explanation that fits demonstrable reality and it is that they know the earth does not move.

Search the nasa site yourself. Use terms like "flat," "nonrotating," and "stationary atmosphere."

Lake Victoria sit like glass at times on the equator that is supposedly moving at over 1000 mph. To try and understand this force consider this:


And that is less of a force by over 10% of what we are told happens at our equator.

 

[It-is-what-it-is]

So if I told you "hey bro you shouldn't eat arsenic, because it'll kill you" you'd try it to verify I'm not lying?

Why would I conduct an expirment that has a chance of death?

What retard came up with the idea that because someone is skeptical that they would take life risking expirments to prove something? It's a pretty dumb question i've been getting all day on this thread.