10 Reasons Why JUSTICE LEAGUE Flopped at the U.S. Box Office

I couldn’t get a half hour into Batman vs Superman so I doubt I’ll watch this.

That said, Wonder Woman isn’t smoking hot. She will always have a seat, as long as I have a face.
 
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It's funny looking back at an old interview Snyder made back in 2008 where he made this foot-in-the-mouth statement, "The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too! We’re on our second Hulk movie. And Iron Man — $300 million domestic box office on a second tier superhero!" And this one in 2011, "I’m like, really? Thor? Thor has a movie? [Laughter.] Really? I mean, come on."
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1. Sure. We don't need sad, introspective DC heroes. After all, most of the consuming public got their introduction to the JL from campy "Super Friends" cartoons from the 70's and 80s.

2. Disagree. BvS was and introduction to the three that will carry the DCU, but clearly not a "league".

3. Sure. WTF, if RT moves from a pure collection of reviews to one that activity solicits the public to "like/skip" upcoming movies, then they seem to be moving beyond their mission statement. I knew that RT was withholding JL scores, but not sure why. I assumed it was because it was getting a "rotten" score and they didn't want to deal with another push-back from the DC vs. Marvel warriors.

4. Meh.

5. Sure. Didn't the first teaser come out during ComiCon 2016? The same time the teasers for WW dropped? I see on youtube, Warner Bros released the trailer back in July 2016. That's a long time ago.

6. But, Superman is Dead!!!!!! But, then I was told he isn't. So, he is alive. We all know he is alive, but they didn't show him in the trailers. Odd.

7. Not sure how another movie can be blamed. "Wonder" is in a completely different genre. People who are going to watch Wonder will watch Wonder. People who are in the comic book target audience, in theory, would watch JL.

8. Sure. Thor: Ragnarok was a buddy team up superhero movie. Just like how JL was supposed to be. In reality, I watched LJ two weeks ago when I watched Thor, Valkary, Hulk, Korg, and Loki team up.

9. Yes. Two directors with two different visions (black sky vs. red sky). Plus, I could not stop looking at superman's upper lip. Even casuals heard about the post production mess.


10. Who was the 7th? Superman? Green Lantern? Shazam? Don't keep me waiting or else I'm assuming it's Gleek the Blue Monkey.


My additions:

11. Steppenwolf is dumb. He's a band from the 60s featured in Easy Rider, not a menacing alien. No one has heard of Steppenwolf the comics bad guy.

12. The big bad guy is a typical CGI Giant Monster. Been there, done that.

13. DC does not need an extended universe. I'm perfectly happy to see Superman 1 - 3, Wonder Woman 1-3, Cyborg 1 - 3 (also known as Richard Donner's Superman Reboot), Flash 1 -3, and Shazam! 1 - 3. Heck, each can cameo in each other's movies if you would like.
 
10 Reasons for JUSTICE LEAGUE's Disappointing $94 Million U.S. Debut

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Warner Bros. and DC Film’s Justice League made its long-awaited launch last week and it debut to a dismal $96 million at the U.S. box office. The film was tracking to open at $110-$120 million last October. Cut to the present, it couldn’t even crack the $100 million ceiling. Compared to Man of Steel ($116M), Batman v Superman ($166M), Suicide Squad ($133M) and Wonder Woman ($103M), Justice League has the lowest opening weekend for a DCEU film ever. This would be unfathomable five years ago.

When The Avengers (2012) was released and everybody was losing their shit and declaring it to be the best comic book movie ever, the film had a whopping $207 million U.S. opening weekend and ended its theatrical run with $1.5 billion worldwide. People back then were saying that a live-action Justice League movie had a strong chance of beating The Avengers’ box office records, after all DC’s A-team was more popular and more well-known than Marvel’s “second-tier heroes.”

So who or what is to blame for the poor box office performance despite the promise of DC’s most iconic superheroes all gathered in one movie. Putting aside the quality of the actual film, below is a list of reasons that contributed either in a major way or small way to why Justice League flopped at the box office.


1. Post-Traumatic Snyder Disorder
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A lot of people found Batman v Superman relentlessly bleak, joyless, overlong, disjointed and crushed by its grim and incoherent narrative. So when they learn that Justice League is from the same director that made BvS, the thought of revisiting Snyder’s world seemed so unappealing and tedious to them. When they see the dark aesthetics and slow-motion action in the JL trailers, they conclude that JL will be more of the same as BvS.

With JL’s disappointing box office results, the general public is basically saying with their dollars that they don’t want to see a Zack Snyder handling the DCEU. The public actually told this to Warner Bros. with the poor box office performance of BvS last year but the studio refused to listen and now they’re paying the price… again.


2. Batman v Superman was already a Justice League movie
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The reason why the gathering of DC’s most popular superheroes didn’t feel quite as special in Justice League because WB already spoiled that moment with Batman v Superman where the Trinity (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman) met for the first time and battled Doomsday. The $166 million opening BvS received would have belonged to JL if the Trinity didn’t meet already. Sure, JL featured Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg joining the team but the casuals didn’t really care much for these “2nd-rate characters” since WB never gave them a solo movie prior to this, hence, the public didn’t really know them or cared much about them.


3. Rotten Tomatoes "cover-up" and score
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Rotten Tomatoes has become a very popular review aggregation website to the general public. So when RT withheld its score for Justice League to promote their Facebook show See It/Skip It (they also withheld their scores for other movies even before this), the public mistakenly thought it meant that JL must be really bad due to the embargo since Warner Bros. has a minority stake in RT. That incident and along with the actual RT score of 40% discouraged a lot of moviegoers to seeing BvS.


4. Poor word of mouth from the general public
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Even if you take out RT and the critics out of the equation, the public word of mouth has been mixed. Half that have seen Justice League thought it was good but not great, and half thought it was just above average or decent. Not exactly encouraging to hear for those undecided moviegoers, nor is it compelling enough to make them buy a ticket.

Five years ago when The Avengers came out, posters were singing its praises and raining down 9 and 10 star ratings like they were in a strip club. As of this writing, there’s barely any 9s and zero 10s so far in the Justice League ratings poll.


5. Marketing too early causing Justice League fatigue
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To assure the public that Justice League was not going to be as dark and gloomy as Batman v Superman, Warner Bros. invited the media on June 2016 for a sneak preview of a comical meeting between Bruce Wayne and Barry Allen and a scene where the team, except for Flash, disappears on Commissioner Gordon. WB then released the first official Justice League trailer to the general public at Comic-Con on July 2016, one year and four months before the film's release date. Since then, the public has been steadily bombarded with promos for the next 16 months which could have caused a Justice League fatigue among moviegoers.

This is one of the problems with Warner Bros. handling of the DCEU, they’re always reacting, sometimes over-reacting, and don’t have enough overriding vision. Let’s take a look at how Marvel Studios is handling their marketing for Avengers: Infinity War. Aside from the sizzle reel shown to the Comic-Con attendants, they still haven’t released a single official trailer for Infinity War yet and that movie comes out in just five months.


6. No Superman in promos
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Superman is noticeably absent from most of the marketing promos and posters for Justice League. I actually applaud them for not spoiling Superman’s return, even though everybody who followed the movie’s progress knows he is in there. But the fact is that the presence of Superman in the trailers and posters could have enticed casual viewers to go watch the movie and give JL an extra $10-$15 million boost to its opening weekend. Not really important but the team photos from the posters sorely lacks the vibrant blue color from Superman’s costume (plus they badly need a bright green color from Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter).


8. Thor: Ragnarok stealing Justice League's thunder
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Thor: Ragnarok came out 2 weeks ago and, not only received tons of praises from critics and audience alike, but debut to a surprising $122 million ($28 million more than Justice League). If somebody said last year that Ragnarok would defeat JL at the box office, that person would be laughed at. A Justice League insider tells THR, "If a B character from Marvel shut downs and outperforms the A team from DC, that’s an embarrassment." Indeed.

Ragnarok also earned $21.7 million on its 3rd weekend and possibly diverting ticket sales from JL. It’s also possible that casual moviegoers’ superhero fix have been met with Ragnarok and they’re no longer interested in seeing another superhero movie for the time being.

It's funny looking back at an old interview Snyder made back in 2008 where he made this foot-in-the-mouth statement, "The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too! We’re on our second Hulk movie. And Iron Man — $300 million domestic box office on a second tier superhero!" And this one in 2011, "I’m like, really? Thor? Thor has a movie? [Laughter.] Really? I mean, come on."


7. Steven Chbosky’s Wonder
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Steven Chboksy’s drama Wonder starring Julia Roberts and Owen Wilson earned an impressive $27 million to land No. 2 at the weekend box office, stealing some of the Justice League’s ticket sales. Per THR, Lionsgate's marketing team aggressively targeted elementary schools, a move that is paying off, with higher-than-usual group ticket sales. RJ Palacio’s New York Times bestseller tells the story of a child with Treacher Collins Syndrome trying to fit in at a new school. Wonder is produced by Marvel Studios. (No it’s not)


9. Reports of post-production troubles
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Due to a family tragedy, Snyder left Justice League on May 2017 and Warner Bros. assigned Joss Whedon, who was already brought in by the studio months ago to rework on the script, to finish post-production and film the reshoots. On July 2017, word got out that the massive reshoots cost $25 million (the average reshoot for this type of movie cost around $6 to $10 million). Henry Cavill's mustache was also an issue as he was filming Mission: Impossible 6 at the same time as the Justice League reshoots. Paramount refused to let Cavill shave his mustache, so WB had to spend millions just to digitally remove the facial hair in post.

Soon, reports came in that WB has neutered Snyder and will no longer be a major creative influence for the DCEU. Near the JL release date, the negative buzz on Henry Cavill's CGI'd mouth began to circulate. All of this behind-the-scenes post-production drama and negativity could have influenced moviegoers into thinking that JL was going to be a disaster and not worth it to see at the cinemas.


10. Seventh member was deleted from final cut
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One of the reasons for Justice League’s stumble at the box office is the removal of all the scenes of the seventh member - Steve - in the actual movie despite being heavily promoted in their posters [1] [2], cover books [3], behind-the-scenes photo [4] and they even showed a clip [5] of this member in action. Snyder even teased Steve way back in 2015 when he tweeted a Justice League image with the slogan “Unite the Seven.” Such a shame, I for one would have liked to see war criminal and Marvel turncoat Steve kick some parademon butts.


Note: This might be merged with the official thread after a while.

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Meh...stopped caring for DC during the overrated Nolan "Batmans" era. Not a fun film for me, but fans ate that shit up for some reason.
+ If you add that clown Snyder, that made that overrated boring-cgi-shit-fest "300" with what the previous audience wanted (dark&gritty) Then of course you get fans like me that have no interest for DC at all.
 
This is the reason JL sucked:

Because the people making the movies (Snyder/executives) are just making god damn stupid movies. Their successes come when they hand the project over to really talented people and let them make magic. Suicide Squad tanked because the executive input was fucking ridiculous and they new the final product sucked so badly that they handed it to a trailer-studio to recut because they were literally desperate to find something that would seem hip to fans.

The thing Marvel is doing well is they are creating movies with characters that are basically how every comic book fan pictured them. DC is going the opposite route: they're taking big chances. It pays off when they give the projects to Christopher Nolan and Patty Jenkins, but tanks when they give the project to a fucking idiot like Zack Snyder. Captain America: Civil War was literally what every fanboy imagined when they pictured those characters. For comparison, Zack Snyder was giving interviews about how, in his movies, Bruce Wayne would get raped in prison.

Marvel puts out movies that connects with people's internal images of the characters. DC hands the reigns over to a fucking idiot and lets him drive their entire universe in directions that the audience doesn't want, then the executives jump on board with their wildly stupid, misfiring ideas to right a badly listing ship, only have the entire thing go down. In flames, which is fucking impressive for a boat.

Making good, successful movies is hard. Making good, successful movies that launch extended universes is almost impossible. The only successful examples of it is Marvel, Lego and John Wick... and I'm not even sure that was John Wick's intent: they probably just set out to make a damn good movie and popped out something that mesmerized people with the unseen corners of John Wick's world. Sony's Spider-Man, the Terminator Franchise, the Dark Universe franchise all fucking tanked because they laid the foundation for an extended universe in a half-assed, stupid way and then inserted those cinematic appetizers into movies that, by themselves, were stupid and half-assed! And DC most definitely falls into this category, except they look more ridiculous than most because they have significantly more advantages than any other studio out there and are FAILING IN THE DUMBEST POSSIBLE WAYS EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's like if they took the weights off of Seabiscuit, put him at the starting line to demolish significantly handicapped competition and then starting hitting him in the legs with sledge hammers just before the race began.

(Transformers is doing the extended universe thing, too, with 14 movies in production and are literally only held afloat by the Chinese box office because they're starting to fail just as hard as everyone else.)

You left Star Wars out of the extended universe list, but otherwise 9/10 post. Would wife:)
 
This is a real shame becasue DCcomics has put out so much solid material throughout the years.

Some how WB decided to make joyless, dark colored, depressed feeling, shitty CGI movies for the general public.

Also not having Hal Jordan or even Kyle Rayner on the main lineup is a travesty. Lol yes that dramatic.
 
No Green Lantern

The Justice League without Green Lantern is like the X-Men without Cyclops.

It's not Canon.
A buddy tried to get me into Green Lantern and Green Arrow with a crossover double feature from like the 70's

It was fabulous

Not my thing though
 
Went to see this out of boredom. Nearly got up and left 5 minutes in after seeing that ridiculous Wonder Woman scene.
 
Why did they even hire Zack Snyder to be the main creator of their universe anyway... he's not good man. It's really a mystery to me. He's one level above McG.

His best movie prior to Man of Steel was the dawn of the dead remake. 300 was not a very good movie.
Suckerpunch was utter shit.

They HAD to be aiming higher than that right?

I liked Man of steel in parts, but I feel like it's because of Christopher Nolan and because I love Superman.

2004 Dawn of the Dead 75%
2007 300 60%
2009 Watchmen 65%
2010 Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole 50%
2011 Sucker Punch 23%
2013 Man of Steel 55%
2016 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 27%
2017 Justice League 41%
 
I *think part of it has to do with people don't go to the movie as much as they use too. A lot of people will just illegally download it or wait for it to be released and watch it on their favorite streaming device from the comfort of their own home.

Just a guess.
 
Well that sucks I was hoping for a good movie finally
 
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