*** Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou Aftermath Discussion MEGA THREAD ***

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Funny reply by Francis when asked by reporter if that was the hardest he's been punched

Humble in defeat. Hard to not like this guy.

 

[witt1021]

37 year old hasnt fought in mma in years isnt gonna do to well on his return to PFL. statistics are not in his favor at all.

 

[shrdgr]

You're really gonna ignore that izzy and alex pereira had to develop great takedown and submission defense huh? What about all the other kickboxers who tried and failed?

Kickboxers have been successful in MMA and increasingly so because UFC fighters were sloppy brawlers and are continuously regressing. Anderson Silva (1-1 in the extremely low level Brazilian regional boxing scene before his UFC career) made an entire legendary career off of obliterating UFC brawlers with basic knowledge of muay thai.

 

[shrdgr]

Ah yes Maldonado who went on a 26 fight win streak in boxing and at like 40 was going the distance with Takam and top 10 ranked at the time Rivas. Stipe stopped him in 35 seconds in his prime....

That was his record in the Brazilian regional scene, which is just about the weakest boxing has to offer. And by the way, Anderson Silva was 1-1 in the Brazilian regional boxing scene and still ended up destroying all the UFC had to offer.

 

[sandokan83]

Obviously, I´m not a doctor, nobody here is, this is Sherdog, either you drive a taxi at night or you are unemployed. But after that KO Francis won´t be the same. I´m not saying that it is "the beginning of the end", however, it will probably bring some serious consequences.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

At the end of a night where MMA fighters were getting the better of boxers under what was essentially boxing matches with MMA gloves in a triangle ring. Also Pulev had faced AJ like a year before.

By a top 3 ranked boxer, and before that was arguably robbed against the guy that people at the time were calling no1 and hailing as some ATG.


Other than Askren they put up a better fight than the 17-2 and 10-1 actual career boxers Jake has just stopped in the first round.




1-3 in combat sports outside of boxing.

The triad thing were literally all scrubs and journeymen.

And Mike perry won a robbery, and has since handled other way better mma fighters in bkfc. Oh ps he also fought in professional boxing and got knocked out.

Elite boxers will massacre most high level mma fighters in boxing. This doesn't happen only with certain styles. The Mayweathers, furys, Andre wards of the world who win in boxing by making every fight a non fight. Alot of mma guys could come in and do just as well as mcgregor did vs Mayweather... but they'd all get koed in 1 or two rounds by someone like canelo(who Mayweather beat)

Logan Paul did alot better than mcgregor.

The fury fight ended up being smoke and mirrors. This fight like pulev-mir is probably indicative of most of these type of match ups.

The matchup thing goes both ways. James toney was a brain dead defensive boxer and they matched him with a wrestler so naturally he lost badly.

Put a legitimate cruiserweight boxing champion in with Chuck liddell in his prime and it isn't one way traffic.

You'd think people would understand this type of nuance by now.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Right, because he probably would have lost, but he would have made $24 million if he'd won all 3 fights, and that was only risking being submitted, not doing this to him.

No what it is a lot of the Francis haters were really salty about Francis making the ufc and Dana look bad. So now that he lost they gloat.

He lost but the guy made the bag. Yep I’m sure Francis would have lost all three fights lmao you moron. He’s still lineal ufc champ

 

[shrdgr]

The triad thing were literally all scrubs and journeymen.

And Mike perry won a robbery, and has since handled other way better mma fighters in bkfc. Oh ps he also fought in professional boxing and got knocked out.

Elite boxers will massacre most high level mma fighters in boxing. This doesn't happen only with certain styles. The Mayweathers, furys, Andre wards of the world who win in boxing by making every fight a non fight. Alot of mma guys could come in and do just as well as mcgregor did vs Mayweather... but they'd all get koed in 1 or two rounds by someone like canelo(who Mayweather beat)

Logan Paul did alot better than mcgregor.

The fury fight ended up being smoke and mirrors. This fight like pulev-mir is probably indicative of most of these type of match ups.

The matchup thing goes both ways. James toney was a brain dead defensive boxer and they matched him with a wrestler so naturally he lost badly.

Put a legitimate cruiserweight boxing champion in with Chuck liddell in his prime and it isn't one way traffic.

You'd think people would understand this type of nuance by now.

THANK YOU. Someone finally gets it. Boxers are better at MMA than MMA fighters are at boxing. It's that simple.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Nicksick confirmed it was indeed only a 3 fight deal and that the holdup was a loss dropped the pay for $8M/per fight.

Which... yes...? Why would Ngannou make championship pay if he's no longer champion?

As to your second point, yes, Francis himself said he missed $7M by not fighting the UFC's contracts for fights he fought anyways, and that's not even counting had he simple won the Stipe fight and gotten the built in contender-to-champion purse there in and then.

Francis' purse problems have always been that he wanted to leave the UFC so wouldn't sign their contracts.

The UFC proved tonight they were right about that.

Francis left because he wanted to box and the ufc said no.

Are you a moron? Or on ufc payroll? I hit in the fuck would you skip a guaranteed paycheck like this? Conor did it and changed his life. Francis now did and it changed his life,

Yeah the ufc didn’t want to guarantee their contracts, so Francis did what any smart business man would do. He got the bag.

 

[duke_droese]

When Francis realised he fucked around and found out, he should have just gone for a double leg and tried to dump AJ on his head.

Would have saved him becoming a meme.

 

[oscerthegrouch]

lol

 

[iwannabeadored]

My point is that boxers do better in MMA than MMA fighters do in boxing. The biggest piece of evidence of this is that a retired boxer (Ray Mercer) flatlined a former UFC champion who had fought for an interim championship the year before, while MMA's #1 heavyweight just got flatlined by a former boxing heavyweight champion.

And James toney got his ass whooped by 59 year old Randy

 

[WhiteMousse]

Everyone got second hand CTE from this fight

 

[Jballer]

Can this end the talk about MMA producing elite athletes now?

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

THANK YOU. Someone finally gets it. Boxers are better at MMA than MMA fighters are at boxing. It's that simple.

Yes, the fighters that train boxing as part of their sport are worse at boxing than the fighters who train absolutely nothing related to MMA outside of boxing are at MMA, makes total sense.

Of course in reality boxers lose more quickly and easily in MMA than MMA fighters do in boxing. Do elite MMA fighters go life and death against opponents with 1-2 records in boxing the way Claressa Shields just did vs some soccer mom that she was supposed to look good against?

 

[honzo]

How long was he out for?
All the videos on twitter finish once it's waived off.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Can this end the talk about MMA producing elite athletes now?

Losing a boxing match to a top 3 level boxer means you arent an elite athlete?

 

[shrdgr]

The triad thing were literally all scrubs and journeymen.

And Mike perry won a robbery, and has since handled other way better mma fighters in bkfc. Oh ps he also fought in professional boxing and got knocked out.

Elite boxers will massacre most high level mma fighters in boxing. This doesn't happen only with certain styles. The Mayweathers, furys, Andre wards of the world who win in boxing by making every fight a non fight. Alot of mma guys could come in and do just as well as mcgregor did vs Mayweather... but they'd all get koed in 1 or two rounds by someone like canelo(who Mayweather beat)

Logan Paul did alot better than mcgregor.

The fury fight ended up being smoke and mirrors. This fight like pulev-mir is probably indicative of most of these type of match ups.

The matchup thing goes both ways. James toney was a brain dead defensive boxer and they matched him with a wrestler so naturally he lost badly.

Put a legitimate cruiserweight boxing champion in with Chuck liddell in his prime and it isn't one way traffic.

You'd think people would understand this type of nuance by now.

I'll also add that Tai Tuivasa, who almost fought for a UFC title, already had 2 Ls in boxing while he was still undefeated in MMA. He also got TKOed in kickboxing and TKOed by boxer/kickboxer Peter Graham in a mixed rules fight. Israel Adesanya also had a loss in boxing while he was still undefeated in MMA. Mark Hunt fought for an interim UFC heavyweight championship is 1-2-1 in boxing lol, with a loss against a rugby player.

So UFC fighters lose to rugby players and Youtube influencers. Will y'all start to understand when UFC fighters start getting knocked out by Uber drivers?

 

[johny ringo]

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Is this real? I did some Googling and nothing like this showed up

 

[iwannabeadored]

Losing a boxing match to a top 3 level boxer means you arent an elite athlete?

There’s some people with cte in here