Do people honestly consider Jones the GOAT or are they just trolling?

ermac88 said:
If steroids caught during the USADA era are a dis qualifier, how can GSP be considered if he fought PRIOR to USADA
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Getting caught is the disqualifying event.

It doesn't matter when.
 
gotBooched said:
How is this even up for consideration? Dude is a twice proven cheater. He and his team believed he required an illegal advantage to successfully compete against mostly clean fighters. MW Vitor and a couple other MW's being the exceptions.

Question for people who think the cheater is the GOAT.....do you feel this way in all sports, or is just because you were a Jones fan before he popped (the first time). Is it that you like Jones or that you dislike DC that you still support him?

Honest questions here. I'm truly stumped to see how he still has people lining up to punch his butthole with their tongues.

GSP is of course the GOAT
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OP wants to argue. And why do y'all always throw some anal/gay shit in there?
 
Ok ok
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Because I believe that in the top it is much more rare to NOT use steroids than to use them so I dont feel like getting caught tarnishes anyone's legacy that badly in my eyes.
 
henag said:
Because I believe that in the top it is much more rare to NOT use steroids than to use them so I dont feel like getting caught tarnishes anyone's legacy that badly in my eyes.
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Who is a top level fighter you feel is not cheating?
 
Jones would smash GSP and Anderson easily....Jones is the goat.
 
Jones is officially a zero-time proven cheater at this point and the sport, even his competition, is filled with roid busts, the pee test era, and circumstances where they were allowed.

Then you look at his performances and he beat the clean ones similarly to the busted/past allowed ones, which no one else has done given the level of his competition.
 
Jones was well on his way to becoming GOAT but major screw ups screwed his career.
 
ermac88 said:
its PRE-USADA, not the same testing standards
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It doesn't matter. It was always a level playing field of testing.

Whatever era, if you test positive, you are undeniably a cheater.

Those accusing fighters who haven't tested positive are driven by agenda, and it's getting old.
 
MCS said:
Jones is officially a zero-time proven cheater at this point and the sport, even his competition, is filled with roid busts, the pee test era, and circumstances where they were allowed.

Then you look at his performances and he beat the clean ones similarly to the busted/past allowed ones, which no one else has done given the level of his competition.
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You are pathetic
 
Socialhandgrenade said:
I think he beats a lot of hw's too.
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Yet Jones himself is too afraid to even try.

What's insanely pathetic about that is that Jones wouldn't even be "moving up" to go fight at HW.

HW would just be Jones going to his natural weight class. Jones loves having his size advantages too much and refuses to ever fight without them. Thats why Jones was never in any real GOAT talks, before popping twice
 
Hairrow said:
I have that question regarding McGregor.

As far as Jones, he is undefeated. Yes, there's the PED and the behavior, but his record is against top opponents speaks for itself, so with that said--I think many do consider him the GOAT, and rightfully so.
He does not have a peer in the octagon, everyone gets handled. I am aware of the lackluster OSP fight and the controversial Gus one. He is one of my most disliked fighters, but I do think he belongs in GOAT conversations, that's for sure.
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" One of the most skilled"


Hahahahahahaha


Yeah, Jones with his garbage striking, aka the male version of Ronda, is the most "skilled." In fact Ronda has even better boxing then Jones

The fact Jones has never beaten anyone his size or age disproves everything you claimed.

Even before getting caught, Jones was never legit in any GOAT talks

Never beat anyone his size.

Never beat anyone his age.

The propaganda from Dana and Rogan, "Jones is the best talent ever" was always laughable. There's been dozens of fighters far more skilled fighting in far superior divisions. LHW is and always has been weak
 
Loiosh said:
It doesn't matter. It was always a level playing field of testing.

Whatever era, if you test positive, you are undeniably a cheater.

Those accusing fighters who haven't tested positive are driven by agenda, and it's getting old.
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So steroids are actually fine. Just dont get caught then?
 
PROlogic said:
" One of the most skilled"


Hahahahahahaha


Yeah, Jones with his garbage striking, aka the male version of Ronda, is the most "skilled." In fact Ronda has even better boxing then Jones

The fact Jones has never beaten anyone his size or age disproves everything you claimed.

Even before getting caught, Jones was never legit in any GOAT talks

Never beat anyone his size.

Never beat anyone his age.

The propaganda from Dana and Rogan, "Jones is the best talent ever" was always laughable. There's been dozens of fighters far more skilled fighting in far superior divisions. LHW is and always has been weak
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Never beat anyone, blah blah blah. Who beat Jones?

Alright, so boxing is his weakness, however, his wrestling, versatility, fight IQ, elbows, GnP--what you got to say about that? He is very adept at minimizing his weakness and imposing his game.
If you want to discredit Jones as some unskilled, full-of-holes nobody--by all means, you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how silly it is. However, I question your credibility when you say Jones is the male version of Ronda.

Striking =/= boxing. Jones' striking is quite alright, just ask Shogun, who tapped to strikes.
 
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He is

gotBooched said:
How is this even up for consideration? Dude is a twice proven cheater. He and his team believed he required an illegal advantage to successfully compete against mostly clean fighters. MW Vitor and a couple other MW's being the exceptions.

Question for people who think the cheater is the GOAT.....do you feel this way in all sports, or is just because you were a Jones fan before he popped (the first time). Is it that you like Jones or that you dislike DC that you still support him?

Honest questions here. I'm truly stumped to see how he still has people lining up to punch his butthole with their tongues.

GSP is of course the GOAT
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ermac88 said:
So steroids are actually fine. Just dont get caught then?
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Is that really what you thought I meant?

I meant I'm tired of people saying "pre-USADA means they were on steroids".

It doesn't mean that. You cannot reasonably infer that. You can assume, but it is unwise to couch that assumption as fact.

What we do know is that Anderson and Jones tested positive. Multiple times. They're cheaters. There's no need to assume with them.

The very second GSP tests positive, you can say he used steroids.
 
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