Do people seriously believe that there was such thing as an elite clean fighter pre USADA?

[Logan M]

Sorry but It makes no sense ...

If PEDs give you a huge advantage, then it is very fair to assume that every top fighter was on drugs, or they would quickly be beaten by enhanced athletes.

Even in the age of drug testing, we see a lot of fighters getting away with it. TJ has been using since forever, he probably got caught because he screwed up the dosage.

As much as sherdoggers want to believe, you can't be 5'10, 190-200 lbs in cage and go hard for 5 rounds naturally.

They all still are. It's a requirement for that level of achievement. You're just rolling the dice with USADA because MMA juicing is in its nascent stages. You know that because guys are still using shit like Stanozolol which has a long ass half life and isn't even that effective compared to shit with the same detection window if you're being tested.

 

[Klaavical]

This is the body of a clean fighter and someone who doesn't give a fuck....Fedor the Natty GOAT

Sorry to burst your bubble

 

[snackgod]

Sorry but It makes no sense ...

If PEDs give you a huge advantage, then it is very fair to assume that every top fighter was on drugs, or they would quickly be beaten by enhanced athletes.

Even in the age of drug testing, we see a lot of fighters getting away with it. TJ has been using since forever, he probably got caught because he screwed up the dosage.

As much as sherdoggers want to believe, you can't be 5'10, 190-200 lbs in cage and go hard for 5 rounds naturally.

dc has always been clean. nothing odd about his tests unlike jon jones who had low t.e levels before usada came along.

 

[Krixes]

All the elite took something. It's hilarious reading fanboys defend God like physiques with stomach marks.

 

[Sophia]

I’d love to roll around with GSP smothered in pictogram grease.

 

[TUFNewb]

Lol what a sad little underhanded swipe at a proven to be clean fighter right at the end of ts's thinly veiled hate post. Cowardly to do it like that and not name names bro.

Garunteed ts thought his heros jones and silva were clean pre usada. Then they got busted and it was "hurp everyone is on steroids cuz nate saeyd so!!"

Fighters should be allowed the same benefit of the doubt ts gave to guys like Roids Bones Jones. Anything else is biased and dishonest.

Stay salty jones and silva fan girls.

 

[torry]

Fedor, AA, Nog, GSP is probably
Glover, Gus, Rumble, BJ etc etc etc etc etc

Plenty

Rumble lol

 

[unfinishable]

Unfortunately I did watch all of his boring fights! He was exciting before he got tko'd by Matt Serra and tapped to strikes! I like fighting and GSP was not a fighter. When I pay my money I want to see people go out and try to finish their opponent! If I was into watching 2 guys wrestle for 25 minutes with hardly any clothes on I would just turn on gay porn! At least you can see the penetration! GSP was nothing more than a PG rated gay porn star! It's not my thing but I guess we all have different likes & dislikes.

I thought the topic was gsp and ped, I don't give a shit about what porn you like

 

[20falarVerdades]

Fedor, AA, Nog, GSP is probably
Glover, Gus, Rumble, BJ etc etc etc etc etc

Plenty

Rumble Johnson: Pay us like MLB stars and we won't have to use performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs)(2014)

https://www.mmamania.com/2014/2/10/...us-like-mlb-stars-we-wont-have-to-use-ped-mma

 

[Ruthless_swag]

Sorry but It makes no sense ...

If PEDs give you a huge advantage, then it is very fair to assume that every top fighter was on drugs, or they would quickly be beaten by enhanced athletes.

Even in the age of drug testing, we see a lot of fighters getting away with it. TJ has been using since forever, he probably got caught because he screwed up the dosage.

As much as sherdoggers want to believe, you can't be 5'10, 190-200 lbs in cage and go hard for 5 rounds naturally.

agreed but I think not all use designer drugs like turinobol, epo, anadrol etc. I mean there are a few clean ones that use Peds to moderate effect for recovery purposes specifically not to enhance performance like Jones etc. I believe that DC is clean but he may have used peds prior to fighting in Ufc.

 

[blaseblah]

If I had to guess I'd say BJ Penn was probably clean. He didn't care enough about his legacy to train hard and fight to the best of his ability so why would he care enough to roid? Also the guy was willing to fight much larger opponents, it doesn't seem like winning was a priority to him.

 

[BeardotheWeirdo]

Nick Diaz.

 

[BA0701]

This is the body of a clean fighter and someone who doesn't give a fuck....Fedor the Natty GOAT

Not to mention the Pride contract directly encouraged using the juice

 

[BA0701]

Somebody show me a positive test, that's all I ask, as until then their theories and speculation literally have no factual basis whatsoever. While someone's physique MIGHT be an indication something is going on, it doesn't prove a damned thing. Show me a failed test, period, then gloat away, but if you can't then you have nothing. It doesn't matter who the fighter is, just show me the proof. I am no fan of Bisping, but the guy never failed a test, not once. Until you can prove it all you have is your own tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theories.

 

[Cooliox]

GSP proved he's a cheater and will do anything to win a fight when he decided to grease against BJ! So don't be naive to think that was the only time he wanted to get an advantage over his opponent! Think about that! He cheated against a guy way smaller than him! He's the most over rated fraud in the history of the UFC! If he was American he would never be talked about, but since he is from Canada they need someone to be their hero!

The athletic commission investigated the alleged greasing incident and found that GSP was in fact not guilty of this or anything else. There was a hearing and everything.

So when you go around saying something was 'Proven', make sure it is actually factually proven, and not just your fucking opinion.

 

[Portland8242]

The guy with 3d delts, gyno, subcutaneous injection marks, who reigned in a division full of PED users, was clean his whole career because he went through 8 weeks of drug test? Passing tests when you know they are gonna happen is easy lol

I've tried to explain this 10000x fucking times on here and they just don't fucking get it bro.

 

[Source]

I'm just glad Bisping finally got the belt after fighting cheaters for his whole career. It's just ironic how after USADA is implemented, he becomes the champion of the division he was previously getting head kicked KO'd in

Bisping bless.

Rampage strongly implied that Bisping was on something.

 

[Portland8242]

The vast majority of this board can be compared to an adult that still believes in Santa. I'm not going to insult anyone for their beliefs, but people just don't understand, and the ones that do usually have bias towards their favorite athletes.

Anyone saying "___ has too much honor and integrity to cheat" is a damn fool. Honor doesn't give you a small window of opportunity in your life to make millions and create a legacy. Honor won't help you when theres always an infinite number of athletes that are younger, stronger, and faster that would kill their mother to sniff a Nike contract. If being an athlete is the way you decide to feed your family and keep a roof on their head, you're a fucking idiot for competing clean.

What Sherdoggers and just the general uninformed public spout all day around here is nothing more than an ignorant pipe dream. Ill be waiting for the flame. People here thats not a pro or ammy fighter, or a serious competitive athlete in their sport cant tell me shit but I cant wait for some moron to call me stupid and blow GSP or some poster boy for being "clean" and "honorable" because he's ignorant and doesnt know a thing.

Wish I could like this more than once.

Not only this, but people really have no fucking idea how building a physique works (even though a physique is 100% irrelevant to how well an MMA fighter performs).

When you got guys like Costa and Romero walking around at 6% body fat jacked out of their tree performing the way they do, it is beyond obvious what is going on (to anyone with half a brain). You don't fucking build a physique training MMA, it relies on cardio first and foremost and your strength / muscle will always be limited by this inherent factor. It's specificity, MMA fighters have zero usage for "beach muscles" like arms, delts, chest etc... in fact they become a hiderance more than a help. When MMA fighters develop these muscles to an insane degree, there's only one obvious answer as to how they did it.

The "natty goat" debate makes me want to shoot myself in the head. There's actually dimwits around here who think all of Jones' wins should be overturned, EVEN THOUGH HE FOUGHT NOTHING BUT FELLOW STEROID USERS ON HIS WAY UP.

Then you got dimiwits with DC's sack in their mouth saying he got screwed over losing to a juicer twice when he's just this honorable clean athlete WHEN HE'S ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING TO FIGHT ANOTHER JUICER. Do people not fucking see this or do they just willingly ignore it?

 

[BA0701]

All the elite took something. It's hilarious reading fanboys defend God like physiques with stomach marks.

While I'm not defending any fighter, which I know some have, but do you have any proof of a single one of the fighters you are referring to using anything that is banned? Until then, all you have is your opinion, which as we all know opinions are like assholes and they all stink. If your measurement as to if someone is cheating is if they have a "God like physique and stomach marks", well I can tell you right now there are examples of several people who have never used any PEDs and have incredible physiques, as well as the fact that the gym I used to work out at several years ago, a ton of massive guys walking around who juiced, and I have never seen or heard of anyone shooting anything into their stomachs, not once. First time I ever heard of people injecting into their stomachs was on SD, anything outside of rabies shots. Show proof, or your argument is nothing more than an opinion with zero substantiating facts, because the accusations you are making with zero proof are very serious.

 

[Portland8242]

I’d be willing to bet most of the champions are using epo

I'll take it a step further:

Every current top-15 fighter right now is on some form of PED. I would bet every cent I have on it.