Is it inevitable China and the U.S. will get into a war?

[tramendous]

With China interested in building their empire and spreading themselves around the globe in Africa, the South Pacific, etc, it only seems a matter of time before the two nations will be at loggerheads with each other.
I think China will test America to see if the President at the time,[lets hope its not Oprah!] stands up to them. If he/she does, then a conflict is on the cards imo. Mind you the U.S. may back down.

So if the answer is 'yes,' will Russia join in too?

Or is this a load of bollocks? Will the two countries just get along fine over the next 100 years despite China having control of the shipping lanes in the South China Sea?

Found out yesterday that Australia has about 15 days of petroleum in reserve, that's all. So it wouldn't take too long for the country to grind to a halt if China ever decided to block our supply coming in.

china and us? are we skipping the russia US war that was "inevitable" for like more than half a century?

 

[GSP_37]

Anytime you have greedy dictator doing whatever the fuck, pushing and shoving, no regard for others or basic human rights, you're going to have problems.

It's up to everyone to stand together and squash them definitively.

 

[Soul Crusher]

You might find the recent article below interesting, and it's actually the other three nations (including yours) which are pushing hardest for it. The US is not going to allow its allies to be intimidated. As far as an actual war, it's known by all the primary reason the major powers don't come directly to blows anymore is the mutual nuclear deterrent and assured destruction but one of the reasons the PRC and Russia really don't want it falls on the US Armed Forces single deadliest asset(s): The 14 Ohio-class nuclear-powered submarines which prowl the oceans undetected.

...The most horrific thing about the Ohio-class subs are that the Trident II missiles it has on board re-enter the atmosphere at Mach 24 and split up into eight independent re-entry vehicles that each carry a 475 kiloton nuclear warhead. A full deployment from just one of them could let off 192 warheads in less than a minute and strike targets from distances of up to 12,000 km. Between sea-based SLBMs, land-launched ICBMs and tactical aircraft bomber capabilities, the SLBMs are easily the most reliable, least vulnerable delivery system and America remains well on top in this regard.

US and Its Asia Pacific Allies Are Boosting Security Ties -- That Could Upset China

The US, Japan, Australia and India are working to preserve the balance of power in the Asia Pacific. But that could aggravate the world's second-largest economy, potentially triggering a greater Chinese military presence around the region. That result became more likely after officials from the four democracies held discussions on upholding freedom of navigation, terrorism, connectivity and maritime security in Asia on the sidelines of a November ASEAN Summit.

The meeting, dubbed the "Australia-India-Japan-United States consultations on the Indo-Pacific," was widely viewed as a resurgence of the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue — or "Quad" — an
informal security forum consisting of the same four countries that launched in 2007 but eventually fell apart. The revived Quad comes as President Donald Trump's administration centers its Asia strategy around a "free and open Indo-Pacific," a term used as a replacement for the more widely used "Asia Pacific" label.

An Anti-China Alliance?

The consultations focused on "issues of mutual concern, whether they be security, economic or political," Alex Wong, deputy assistant secretary at the U.S. State Department's East Asian and Pacific Affairs bureau, said last week in response to a question from CNBC. Beijing is the biggest shared worry among the four powers, strategists said.

"Though China is cautiously not named in any of the statements, the revival of the group is undoubtedly motivated by increasing nervousness at China's assertiveness and ambitions in the region," researchers at Singapore-based Nanyang Technological University said in a note.

From building man-made islands in the contested South China Sea to increasing economic leverage over developing countries with the Belt and Road program, China's behavior has worried America's Asia Pacific allies. Beijing has also been criticized for using education, spying, and political donations to influence local decision-making in countries such as New Zealand.

When asked whether the four-country dialogue was a means to hedge against China, Wong said unfounded fears were being appended to a single, working-level meeting: "The strange types of intentions being ascribed to [this meeting], I think, may not be grounded in truth." He said dialogue among the four nations would continue, but warned that he "can't predict where it's going to go."

For now, the Quad is widely expected to remain a loose and flexible partnership based on solidarity rather than an institutionalized military alliance. Maritime security is seen as the group's core issue, but infrastructure could play a major role too. "Australia is likely to back proposals to insert an infrastructure investment component into the Quad so it can provide an alternative — or supplement — to China's sprawling 65-nation Belt and Road Initiative," intelligence firm Stratfor said in a February note.

Do you think nukes would be used if a few planes were shot down, a ship or two sunk, Taiwan was defended and if everything on China's man made islands were destroyed?

 

[ShinkanPo]

I believe four of them have been converted into cruise missile subs which is why I cited 14 active SSBNs and you're definitely correct regarding the treaty limitations - Russia's lone active Typhoon-class is the only thing comparable.

In any case, the crazy thing is that the Ohio-class subs are considered America's "ace in the hole" even today while they're actually nearing the end of their operational shelf life. There's already a package of 12 new Columbia-class SSBN replacements which are fully green lit for production, even more efficient and stealthier. A dozen is the minimum number, it's likely to be higher given how much they've been able to drive down costs since the original planning stage.

Only 1 typhoon sub left damn just a far the Russians have fallen.

I think during the coldwar the Soviet sub fleet is the most feared in the world.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Interesting post from Marshall Gittler of ACLS Global:

First off, there is no “Petro Yuan.” They have simply listed an oil futures contract in yuan. Maybe that will mean less oil futures trading in New York or London as Chinese traders keep their business at home, but it will have absolutely no impact on the dollar’s position as a reserve currency whatsoever. None. Zero.

Secondly, the big secret that none of those conspiracy web sites you’re apparently reading know, understand or are willing to talk about, is that China doesn’t want the yuan to become a major reserve currency. A reserve currency means capital inflows (as other countries buy financial assets denominated in that currency). That reduces your current account surplus. It means less exports and more imports. In the context of China, that means unemployment, the ensuing loss of legitimacy of the CPC, and maybe revolution. It means free capital markets, which prevents the government from controlling interest rates and the allocation of capital, with big implications to China’s powerful state-owned enterprises and banks. It’s just not possible at this point in China — too many vested interests opposed to it.

Third, nobody understands the implications of what I just said. The implications are that being the world’s major reserve currency isn’t a privilege for the US, it’s a burden. It’s a burden that no other country is willing to take on. The fact that the US is the world’s major reserve currency is probably the main reason why the US has had a current account deficit for some 30 years. If the US weren’t in this position, our exports would be greater, our employment would be greater, and our tax take would therefore be greater so then our fiscal position would be better, too. This is why nobody else wants this role. This is why other countries fight against capital inflows. This is what the so-called “currency wars” were all about a few years ago — countries trying to avoid this burden.

China and Russia don’t like the idea that the dollar is at the center of the world’s financial system, but so far nobody I’ve heard of has a better idea. Neither of these countries would like to take over the role. As for this destroying the dollar… give me a break. What nonsense. If anything, this would be an enormous boon to the US economy as exports rose.

Please don’t get your economics from RT.

Yeah so much China ass kissing these days

 

[Seaside]

Only 1 typhoon sub left damn just a far the Russians have fallen.

I think during the coldwar the Soviet sub fleet is the most feared in the world.

US ohio class can hold more missiles. 24 vs 20 on typhoon.

i always though Soviets had better and way more land based ICBM in silos and also had mobile silos. US seem to focus on submarines SLBM and for land ICBM to have them only in few areas and be in deep silos. US was always more focused on cruise missiles from ships, submarines, and SLBM. Soviet focused more on portable launch ICBM and silo based. That what china mainly has it rumored is mobile base

 

[Starck]

Aren't jokes funny?

It was more of an unjoke.

It was funny. Must qualify as a joke.

 

[Kanuck99]

It was funny. Must qualify as a joke.

The joke’s on you.

 

[caxias]

Anytime you have greedy dictator doing whatever the fuck, pushing and shoving, no regard for others or basic human rights, you're going to have problems.

It's up to everyone to stand together and squash them definitively.

says the guy bombing syrian cities.

 

[V-2]

Yeah so much China ass kissing these days

Xi is smart enough to invest in various sub-sectors of next generation science and technology that the US doesn't and/or hasn't utterly dominated post-1945 (yet). We already know what they are from various intel and indicator reports, hearings and testimonies: artificial intelligence, robotics, quantum computing/cryptography and emergent bio-technologies, just about all of which will not only be economically potent but carry pertinent defense and national security applications. The bell has been answered.

 

[V-2]

US ohio class can hold more missiles. 24 vs 20 on typhoon.

i always though Soviets had better and way more land based ICBM in silos and also had mobile silos. US seem to focus on submarines SLBM and for land ICBM to have them only in few areas and be in deep silos. US was always more focused on cruise missiles from ships, submarines, and SLBM. Soviet focused more on portable launch ICBM and silo based. That what china mainly has it rumored is mobile base

Yeah, upwards of over half of the active US nuclear arsenal is sea-based SLBMs and the DoD have always preferred it as a deterrent over land-launched ICBMs and tactical aircraft bombers. It's traditionally been (and still is) viewed as being the least vulnerable of the three-pronged nuclear triad. Anti-Sub hydroacoustic sensing and processing technologies are advancing, but in turn so are the stealth upgrades.

 

[cincymma79]

China will eventually collapse like the ussr

Fun fact

They’re going to be outsourcing to Africa soon. So soon we’ll be using African slavery labor to make iPhones. Should be an interesting juxtaposition for sjws

 

[Seaside]

Yeah, upwards of over half of the active US nuclear arsenal is sea-based SLBMs and the DoD have always preferred it as a deterrent over land-launched ICBMs and tactical aircraft bombers. It's traditionally been (and still is) viewed as being the least vulnerable of the three-pronged nuclear triad. Anti-Sub hydroacoustic sensing and processing technologies are advancing, but in turn so are the stealth upgrades.

i think submarines are still the best and then having cruise missiles that do not need to go orbital/into atmosphere. Most all missile defense even patriot missiles for low range stuff is designed to shoot down stuff coming down at it. Harder to do with close deployed cruise missiles. The advance missile defense US has is best for short ragen, mediu and upper intermediate range.

China will eventually collapse like the ussr

Fun fact

They’re going to be outsourcing to Africa soon. So soon we’ll be using African slavery labor to make iPhones. Should be an interesting juxtaposition for sjws

how will china collapse? all the stuff that cause soviet union to collapse do not apply to china. At worst they losing tibet someday and xinjiang large areas but pretty unpopulated and xinjiang is not very useful land.

 

[tramendous]

China will eventually collapse like the ussr

how?

 

[cincymma79]

how?

As the economy opens up the people will want more and China will either go democratic or fall apart

 

[Seaside]

As the economy opens up the people will want more and China will either go democratic or fall apart

that is a poor understanding of china and power. The soviet union did not collapse for those reasons by the way. Chinese are ethnonationalists the collective masses of chinese value what the government is doing.

Western anglo and western europeans are naive to think that only economic profit and material things matter to the entire world which is not true. Most of the world population and leaders are driven by religions, ideology, and tribal stuff.

 

[ShinkanPo]

that is a poor understanding of china and power. The soviet union did not collapse for those reasons by the way. Chinese are ethnonationalists the collective masses of chinese value what the government is doing.

Western anglo and western europeans are naive to think that only economic profit and material things matter to the entire world which is not true. Most of the world population and leaders are driven by religions, ideology, and tribal stuff.

Their Ideology and Tribalism will be their undoing.

 

[caxias]

As the economy opens up the people will want more and China will either go democratic or fall apart

china's president is a soft cuck.

you don't want a democratic china.

 

[Seaside]

Their Ideology and Tribalism will be their undoing.

in my opinion that is wishful thinking. based on what? the world and tribal identity never loses only to outside powers. look at islam either other branch of islam or outside powers. China has existed for thousands of years.

 

[V-2]

china's president is a soft cuck.

Eh? He's a pretty damn ruthless ethno-nationalist you don't even dream of fucking around with and has now acquired a level of power in the country not seen since Mao Zedong. His outward demeanor is just reserved and calculating. China has over 100,000 Uyghur Muslims in re-education camps right now.