Is Pereira more talented than Adesanya or just a bad matchup?

I believe there more talented and skilled fighters at HW then Ngannou yes...off the top of my head Gane and Stipe ..are more skilled and talented then Ngannou but he has an eraser/equalizer in power...

Everyone knows POWER is the great equalizer in fighting...look at Deontay Wilder...the guy can not even box properly and throw proper combos but if he lands that straight right or overhand right... Ur dead...over 90% k.o percentage but cant use angles or proper defense..
And wilder and ngannous natural God given talent to generate incredible amounts of force is why they are successful. It's a talent just like being naturally faster, or having high IQ and learning ability
 
Started kickboxing at a later age, still beat him twice. Then with much less MMA experience, beats him in MMA. Is it just a situation where Adesanya may be better but Alex has his number, or is Pereira better? Had Pereira gotten into MMA at the same time Adesanya did do you think he could have been even more dominant?

Just a bad match up, Izzy can rock hil but not put him away and Perreira always seems to knock him out.
 
They are obviously talented athletes. I have no idea what Usain Bolt has to do with punching power though.
Well you guys are dismissing physical attributes as not being talent, in the case of ngannou and Wilder it's the power. If you truly believe this argument then you would believe the same about speed and other athletic attributes as well. But most likely there's no real foundation to your argument and you didn't think it through
 
And wilder and ngannous natural God given talent to generate incredible amounts of force is why they are successful. It's a talent just like being naturally faster, or having high IQ and learning ability

Success... especially in fighting isnt always a picture of whos more skillful or talented...

Im not saying Alex has no skills or talent... He has both..his greatest being Power...but hes not more talented then Izzy... who has Fluidity in his movement and strikes...power as well as speed, endurance and reach as well as great fight IQ...and variety ..

Izzy has more check marks in the talents column then Alex ...but sometimes only one talent (power) is all you need...
 
Success... especially in fighting isnt always a picture of whos more skillful or talented...

Im not saying Alex has no skills or talent... He has both..his greatest being Power...but hes not more talented then Izzy... who has Fluidity in his movement and strikes...power as well as speed, endurance and reach as well as great fight IQ...and variety ..

Izzy has more check marks in the talents column then Alex ...but sometimes only one talent (power) is all you need...

Alex displayed better fight IQ than Izzy, and showed tremendous endurance. He is not just powerful.
 
Well you guys are dismissing physical attributes as not being talent, in the case of ngannou and Wilder it's the power. If you truly believe this argument then you would believe the same about speed and other athletic attributes as well. But most likely there's no real foundation to your argument and you didn't think it through
The point is, punching power is not something you can train to get better at the same way that footwork or head movement is.

You can learn to hit harder through training, but you will never be able to train that touch of death power that certain guys have, it's natural. Forrest Griffin couod train for 20 years and never come close to hitting as hard as Ngannou.

Power absolutely is a talent, but you either have it or you don't. You can get by on it whilst being objectively unskilled like Deontay Wilder.

Wilder is losing every fight he ever has until he knocks his opponent out. That's because he is objectively unskilled comparatively to the average pro boxer.
 
Success... especially in fighting isnt always a picture of whos more skillful or talented...

Im not saying Alex has no skills or talent... He has both..his greatest being Power...but hes not more talented then Izzy... who has Fluidity in his movement and strikes...power as well as speed, endurance and reach as well as great fight IQ...and variety ..

Izzy has more check marks in the talents column then Alex ...but sometimes only one talent (power) is all you need...
Izzy is not as fundamentally sound as people make him out to be. A lot of the things he does work well because of his athletic abilities, speed, nimbleness, surprising strength, of course height and reach. If he had average athleticism and stature nobody would know who he is. But he's gifted with certain God given 'talent' and he makes best of it. Just like Pereira is doing. You guys are trying to cherry pick what is and isn't talent
 
Bad matchup. As a straight-up kickboxer, Israel is the more versatile and talented guy but Pereira just has the style to give him nightmares - huge, powerful, aggressive, always coming forward.
he gave everybody nightmares at kickboxing though he's talented
 
He's a better fighter than most thought and he's not just a kickboxer. Will he get dominated by a wrestler or even someone like Whittaker? Probably. But that's why we tune in. To find out.
 
The point is, punching power is not something you can train to get better at the same way that footwork or head movement is.

You can learn to hit harder through training, but you will never be able to train that touch of death power that certain guys have, it's natural. Forrest Griffin couod train for 20 years and never come close to hitting as hard as Ngannou.

Power absolutely is a talent, but you either have it or you don't. You can get by on it whilst being objectively unskilled like Deontay Wilder.

Wilder is losing every fight he ever has until he knocks his opponent out. That's because he is objectively unskilled comparatively to the average pro boxer.
True but it's a myth to think that there aren't natural caps to other things as well, including even footwork and head movement. Put Dominick Reyes in the same shoes as Ali, same amount of training, he's still coming anywhere close to having Ali's footwork or head movement
 
Alex displayed better fight IQ than Izzy, and showed tremendous endurance. He is not just powerful.


How ? Did he show better fight IQ...

The O.P is asking is he more talented...not if hes talented...

Hes talented ...but hes not more talented then Izzy if your unbiased in watching their fights ..this is obvious...but thats what makes power or having power so great...it can be an equalizer at any time
 
Izzy is not as fundamentally sound as people make him out to be. A lot of the things he does work well because of his athletic abilities, speed, nimbleness, surprising strength, of course height and reach. If he had average athleticism and stature nobody would know who he is. But he's gifted with certain God given 'talent' and he makes best of it. Just like Pereira is doing. You guys are trying to cherry pick what is and isn't talent


The same can be said for Alex...Take away his giant weight cut to 185 and his power and no1 knows who he is either...

Anyone watching the fight without bias can easily see Izzy has more tools/skills/talents then Alex ...it just so happens to be the one thing Alex has an abundance of which is power is enough to get him the belt.. like said u remove that power and Izzy wins a 50-45 decision maybe worse...Izzy was winning on the cards and got to Alex's chin before he could Izzy's.


But in here lives the beauty and tragedy of our sport... depending on who are at the time of the fight
 
The same can be said for Alex...Take away his giant weight cut to 185 and his power and no1 knows who he is either...

Anyone watching the fight without bias can easily see Izzy has more tools/skills/talents then Alex ...it just so happens to be the one thing Alex has an abundance of which is power is enough to get him the belt.. like said u remove that power and Izzy wins a 50-45 decision maybe worse...Izzy was winning on the cards and got to Alex's chin before he could Izzy's.


But in here lives the beauty and tragedy of our sport... depending on who are at the time of the fight
Izzy may have a more diverse set of talents and skills, but pereiras talent in being able to generate a powerful punch is much higher than Izzy's talents or skills in any one attribute. Pereira accomplished more in kickboxing than Adesanya ever would have and he best Izzy twice even while having less experience. He probably would have more success as a boxer than Izzy as well. Now he has beaten him in MMA as well. In my eyes he is the more talented fighter of the two
 
I think it's pretty clear that he's going to have trouble against well-rounded fighters in the UFC. No insult to Israel at all, but it's common knowledge that grappling is not his thing. His wrestling is all defensive, a means of avoiding wrestling. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I think Israel is better at keeping people off of him than Alex will be, which will make for a very long and unhappy fight against someone like Whittaker.

But I don't think Alex gets enough credit for something that seems to be escaping everyone-- In the last two rounds Alex adjusted to Israel's strategy of clinching whenever he got too close. He started firing shots right down the middle which opened Israel up. This is what caused the ending combination too. When he'd clinch, he'd do a straight right or get an uppercut in there. He actually adjusted and developed a strategy to overcome something Israel probably thought would confound him.
False, you're just parroting Weasel. He only did this against the fence, if Israel still had his leg after the checked kick, he'd be working in the open space. He'd end up in by the cage in the earlier rounds because he was engaging. If he just coasted to a UD Pereira's adjustments against the fence wouldn't have mattered. Pereira pinned him because Izzy lost his mobility. Alex caused that though, taking nothing from him.
 
He looks more physically gifted when it comes to striking. He doesn’t seem to have much head movement and he knocks people out while they know the punch is coming.
 
He is a bad matchup mostly. He has ungodly punching power but got wrestlefucked by Adesanya of all people.
He would probably lose to most good wrestlers if he can't KO them first.
 
Punchers are made of a combination of ungodly power and ungodly timing. Actually its timing what really set them apart. There are plenty of people who can unload massive power on a stationary object. To do it on a reactive, trained opponent is another story that requires great timing
Lol, timing set Ngannou and Deontay Wilder apart from the pack? You really are clueless. Yes timing their opponent would definitely help them score an easier KO, that said what you actually said was that the two current biggest (known) punchers across all combat sports (Joe Joyce may be up there too) are a product of timing and not so much their ungodly power, lol. Wow.

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Such timing, such technique!

{<jordan}
Idk where you get the audacity to address me the way you do, you're absolutely clueless. Wow. I honestly thought you were just stuck in the past and had like some grappling acumen, but you really are just a bitter old man who lives in the past, holy shit.
{<jordan}
Pride never die! Lol

In Mexican Spanish we have a saying for situations like this "me das pena ajena", which roughly translated to "I'm embarrassed for you".
 
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The bottom line is that power. He can make izzy back up and then lay him out when he runs out of room. Izzy is forced to respect that power,and he has no size advantage to utilize.

Who is the better _____ or ________ is subjective,really. The bottom line is Alex just wins when he faces Izzy. When it all comes down to it,he has his number,and his attributes are a nightmare for Izzy.
 
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