Opinion MAID is Not Only Unethical, It's Murder

[Sinister]

There's plenty of reasons I cannot trust the medical system and people with euthanasia systems.

Canadian soldier with PTSD ‘outraged’ when VA suggested euthanasia

A Canadian armed forces veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and a traumatic brain injury was offered medical assistance in dying by an employee of Veterans Affairs Canad…

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Soldier gets offered euthanasia to solve ptsd

'Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canada’s euthanasia laws

TORONTO (AP) — Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening.

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Guys gets hospitalized for threatening self harm. Over fears he's " suicidal ". Wants brother to bust him out. Month later euthanized.

Hearing loss only physical ailment. Never wore Hearing aid.

Are Canadians being driven to assisted suicide by poverty or healthcare crisis?

Critics argue laws are being misused to punish the poor but experts say cases represent country’s failure to care for its most vulnerable citizens

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Homeless need government assistance? Or specialist treatment/ assistance? Try euthanasia instead.


At least four veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress have been offered MAiD, including one instance where a caseworker told a veteran that MAiD is a preferable alternative to “blowing your brains out against the wall.”

Add mental illness / disabilities as viable reasons ?

The Problems With Canada’s Medical Assistance in Dying Policy

Canada’s Medical Assistance in Dying program seemed like a step forward for choice and dignity. But it is beginning to look like a dystopian end run around the cost of providing social welfare that can beat back the deprivations that make life unbearable.

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Definitely keep it out of for profit medical systems. But even systems part public are thinking about the $.


In another instance, retired corporal Christine Gauthier, who is paraplegic and competed for Canada at the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Paralympics and the Invictus Games, was offered assisted suicide, with Veterans Affairs offering to provide her with the necessary equipment.

Gauthier had been fighting for five years to have Veterans Affairs provide her with a wheelchair ramp. They wouldn’t provide the ramp, but they would give her the means to end her life.


This is barely scraping the tip of the ice berg is how many negatives can occur with legal euthanasia . Especially when you include mental health.

This is a very sound concern, however legal euthanasia is a lot like legal drug use. When it is systemic and contained, regulated, sure there are going to be some pretty bad cases of abuse. However having people do it in the streets and their homes has a much much higher cascade of consequences. A girl I went to College with, her Dad offed himself with a gun. She was the only one to get home as her Mother was en route to work (this was before cell phones were very affordable). She was 13, and it took a while for anyone to get there. She had started cleaning up the mess. If he had the option of handling all that in a much more sanitary manner and chose to do so, she would at least have avoided going through the horror of that discovery. Forcing people to do this in such ways because it harms people's sensibilities makes it more messy and traumatic for all involved. Kind of similar to deinstitutionalization. Yeah there were State asylums that were awful, horrendous places. Now our severely mentally ill who cant afford private care facilities are in our jails and prisons doing cheap labor, or homeless. Would have been better to fix the system rather than dismantle it altogether and wait to deal with them until they hurt people.

 

[Anewt]

This is a very sound concern, however legal euthanasia is a lot like legal drug use. When it is systemic and contained, regulated, sure there are going to be some pretty bad cases of abuse. However having people do it in the streets and their homes has a much much higher cascade of consequences. A girl I went to College with, her Dad offed himself with a gun. She was the only one to get home as her Mother was en route to work (this was before cell phones were very affordable). She was 13, and it took a while for anyone to get there. She had started cleaning up the mess. If he had the option of handling all that in a much more sanitary manner and chose to do so, she would at least have avoided going through the horror of that discovery. Forcing people to do this in such ways because it harms people's sensibilities makes it more messy and traumatic for all involved. Kind of similar to deinstitutionalization. Yeah there were State asylums that were awful, horrendous places. Now our severely mentally ill who cant afford private care facilities are in our jails and prisons doing cheap labor, or homeless. Would have been better to fix the system rather than dismantle it altogether and wait to deal with them until they hurt people.

I get your point. It should never be offered or mentioned to anyone who has not requested it at the very least. Someone struggling with mental illness / depression should never have a medical professional suggest death. The damage could be irreversible.

 

[HereticBD]

You have no idea. Get bent.

No, I do. Most people, including me, are fine with assisted suicide for the terminally ill. This is like the third time you've come into one of these threads about it being used for non-terminally ill people, with the same "but whatabout brain cancer!?!?" deflection. You either can't read, or you're deflecting to something that nobody is talking about, to avoid tackling the subject.

You're very special, Andrew.

 

[NoSmilez]

I get your point. It should never be offered or mentioned to anyone who has not requested it at the very least. Someone struggling with mental illness / depression should never have a medical professional suggest death. The damage could be irreversible.

It’s not the case with this story. It is an option she kept on pushing for. It’s a long process. She requested and signed up for it.

Edit: I haven’t followed the Canadian MAID cases outside the one with the intolerance with chemicals. The doctors in that case kept on trying to talk her out of it. Her deal was I want to die if the state cannot provide her a better accommodation. She just kept on pushing the issue too. It’s so sad; the state can’t give her a special home.

 

[HereticBD]

It has been stated in here that the mental conditions she has can cause a person to have suicidal thoughts or tendencies. This is the definition of terminal illness:

"An irreversible or incurable disease condition from which death is expected in the foreseeable future."

And mental illness is not incurable, nor terminal. Glad I could inform you of that.

 

[Anewt]

It’s not the case with this story. It is an option she kept on pushing for. It’s a long process. She requested and signed up for it.

I know. Just referring to the plethora that are. In her case it wasn't a quick decision and was something she actively sought.

It's the misuse that bugs me. Which isn't the case for this story you are correct

 

[NoSmilez]

I know. Just referring to the plethora that are. In her case it wasn't a quick decision and was something she actively sought.

It's the misuse that bugs me. Which isn't the case for this story you are correct

I just looked up the rest of the Canadian MAID abuse cases. Apparently it’s one case worker pushing it to vets and it’s against the rules. That person got canned.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

This is a fascinating topic and both sides have good arguments

This video is extremely helpful and features two very knowledgeable and rational people discussing the manner in a civilized way. I learned a ton.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

A gun is messy. And encouraging is not what we want. But a humane way to go should be an option in my opinion.

Exactly.

Shooting yourself is also about a million times more traumatic for the living family members. Imagine coming home to your loved one hanging by the staircase or with their brains splattered across the living room.

Assisted suicide can prepare the family much better and is far more dignified.

 

[shockaholic12]

And mental illness is not incurable, nor terminal. Glad I could inform you of that.

The professionals who had been treating this woman said the opposite. But I’m sure you being a non-professional who read a NYPost article about her knows better.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Maybe we'd have less mass-shootings if mentally ill people had an easier way to leave this life.

Or people could just stop ignoring them in spite of all the warning signs and calls for help. Family, friends , law enforcement.

This way also has 0 deaths. Would ya believe that.

 

[HereticBD]

Exactly.

Shooting yourself is also about a million times more traumatic for the living family members. Imagine coming home to your loved one hanging by the staircase or with their brains splattered across the living room.

Assisted suicide can prepare the family much better and is far more dignified.

While the gun option is messy, it's not the only option. I also think it's quite naive to believe that family members would be cool with their 20 something year old daughter choosing to do this, no matter the method, because they were pulled into a months/years long journey of their family member killing themselves. I bet they they would prefer them continuing treatment and, ya know, staying alive. Dead is dead.

 

[BearGrounds]

The problem here is her thinking that doctors are the authority on mental health problems. They're not, they're glorified pill pushers. That's literally their entire arsenal: write prescriptions. They've got absolutely nothing. I bet she knows that, too, she's just looking for an excuse to die and using the doctors to rubber-stamp it. Meanwhile you've got a profession which involves getting a PhD, literally 9 years of nothing else but studying mental health, let me try to remember the name of it... psy... psycholo... Oh right, psychology. She should try one of the professionals, you know, the ones that actually know what they're talking about and have other things in their arsenal than trying to zombify people with pharmaceuticals.

This.

But I just want to add that everyone has to be very careful about who they choose in that field for treatment/counseling as well.

 

[Gutter Chris]

"the purpose of living" lmao you fn simpleton. You think you have it all figured out?
Denying the right to die would essentially force people to live against their will. that is undefendable no matter how you look at it.
I know u authoritarian chuds are disconnected from reality but Human euthanasia is becoming more and more normal as each day passes.

Huh huh huh you're a fascist chud cuz you don't support the medical industry being free to kill its customers cuz freedumb.


Good one dummy

You zinged me real good.

 

[HereticBD]

This.

But I just want to add that everyone has to be very careful about who they choose in that field for treatment/counseling as well.

In that regard, I would imagine psychiatrists are involved in this. These people aren't getting rubber stamped by a GP. It's a collective effort...to kill someone.

 

[fedoriswar37]

If the medical industry is signing off on it, rather saying "No, we will absolutely not murder you", that's encouragement. Simply having that option is encouragement.

" It's getting more common", as some clowns in here will suggest. Well no shit , like you said , when you give the option , what do you expect.

 

[BearGrounds]

In that regard, I would imagine psychiatrists are involved in this. These people aren't getting rubber stamped by a GP. It's a collective effort...to kill someone.

If she had any they failed her, that much is for certain.

 

[HereticBD]

" It's getting more common", as some clowns in here will suggest. Well no shit , like you said , when you give the option , what do you expect.

Yeah, I mean who'd a thunk that giving mentally ill people an option to be murdered by the state, would lead to more mentally ill people being murdered by the state? It's a mystery...

 

[HereticBD]

If she had any they failed her, that much is for certain.

That's the crux of it. You have these "professionals" literally throwing their oath in the garbage, because the government says it's cool to just give up and kill them. It's fucked up on so many levels.

 

[shockaholic12]

No, I do. Most people, including me, are fine with assisted suicide for the terminally ill. This is like the third time you've come into one of these threads about it being used for non-terminally ill people, with the same "but whatabout brain cancer!?!?" deflection. You either can't read, or you're deflecting to something that nobody is talking about, to avoid tackling the subject.

You're very special, Andrew.

You advocated for it to be an option for paralyzed people. Is paralysis a terminal illness?

No.

You’re very dumb.