Middle-class income rose above $61,000 for the first time last year, U.S. Census Bureau says

[Prutfis]

How much should someone get paid to wash my car or stock cereal in aisle 7? Most people with appropriate jobs have livable wages.

Anyone with a full time job should have a livable wage, no matter the job.

 

[vengeful]

Why are they reporting median growth, instead of the growth of the average Americans wealth, or wages?

Is it because when you count median wealth, it allows for Jeff bezos becoming 50 billion richer, to be misrepresented and infer I somehow got a piece of that pie?

That's not income! It would only be income if he sold his stocks

 

[Letssnuggle]

We need more regulations and free stuff. Everyone knows that’s how you grow the middle class.

 

[xcvbn]

We need more regulations and free stuff. Everyone knows that’s how you grow the middle class.

No, no the solution is lower taxes on the wealthy because then that money will trickle down. It worked for the serfs in medieval times. Look this is from a history book:

 

[Roaming East]

This makes no sense. A high school drop out working 35 hours at the local car wash should be enough money to support his entire life without assistance? That is an idealistic and unreasonable way of thinking, at best.

Why? He's providing a service that people obviously need. And he's probably doing the hardest part of it. Or does the guy who sits in the air conditioned office wearing a shirt and tie whose entire job is looking at schedules and shifting electronic numbers representing OTHER peoples money not deserve a wage because his job isnt 'hard'? Whats the breaking point?

Should a job only reward you if it takes advance degrees? so a Ph.D in greek mythology should be pulling 6 figures all day but the master carpenter should be living on the dole?

Or should a job only pay livable wages based on the physical/mental effort to perform? like how every construction worker and coal miner in the country is driving a Lambo?

Oh i know, the pay scale should compare to the value to society. Thats a fair trade. Except teachers require lots of education and training, are responsible for shaping youth, but still dont get paid shit either.

The simple fact is, As money has become increasingly non-existent in the physical sense, it has become easier for those with jobs that dont actually produce a tangible product or service, to fleece the economy. After all, if the money isnt 'real' then the effort to produce it doesnt need to be either. Thats why Wall street speculators have been raping the economy.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

A lot of the current boom is fueled by debt, which is going to bite the economy in the ass down the road.



https://qz.com/1280927/us-household-debt-has-hit-an-all-time-high-of-13-2-trillion/

"Most of this debt comes in the form of mortgages, which increased by $57 billion, to $8.9 trillion, at the start of the year."


So its bad people are buying homes?

 

[xcvbn]

Why? He's providing a service that people obviously need. And he's probably doing the hardest part of it. Or does the guy who sits in the air conditioned office wearing a shirt and tie whose entire job is looking at schedules and shifting electronic numbers representing OTHER peoples money not deserve a wage because his job isnt 'hard'? Whats the breaking point?

Should a job only reward you if it takes advance degrees? so a Ph.D in greek mythology should be pulling 6 figures all day but the master carpenter should be living on the dole?

Or should a job only pay livable wages based on the physical/mental effort to perform? like how every construction worker and coal miner in the country is driving a Lambo?

Oh i know, the pay scale should compare to the value to society. Thats a fair trade. Except teachers require lots of education and training, are responsible for shaping youth, but still dont get paid shit either.

The simple fact is, As money has become increasingly non-existent in the physical sense, it has become easier for those with jobs that dont actually produce a tangible product or service, to fleece the economy. After all, if the money isnt 'real' then the effort to produce it doesnt need to be either. Thats why Wall street speculators have been raping the economy.

Sorry sir, I'm not seeing the key words "trickle it the fuck down", "poor people deserve to die", "liberalism=death", or "socialism is the devil" so I'm gonna have to ignore this post. Far too complex. I mean what even is 'Greek mythology' or 'speculators'...

 

[gassius_clay]

No, no the solution is lower taxes on the wealthy because then that money will trickle down. It worked for the serfs in medieval times. Look this is from a history book:

Your meme seems out of place considering the thread it has been posted in.

 

[xcvbn]

Your meme seems out of place considering the thread it has been posted in.

Does it?

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Why? He's providing a service that people obviously need. And he's probably doing the hardest part of it. Or does the guy who sits in the air conditioned office wearing a shirt and tie whose entire job is looking at schedules and shifting electronic numbers representing OTHER peoples money not deserve a wage because his job isnt 'hard'? Whats the breaking point?

Should a job only reward you if it takes advance degrees? so a Ph.D in greek mythology should be pulling 6 figures all day but the master carpenter should be living on the dole?

Or should a job only pay livable wages based on the physical/mental effort to perform? like how every construction worker and coal miner in the country is driving a Lambo?

Oh i know, the pay scale should compare to the value to society. Thats a fair trade. Except teachers require lots of education and training, are responsible for shaping youth, but still dont get paid shit either.

The simple fact is, As money has become increasingly non-existent in the physical sense, it has become easier for those with jobs that dont actually produce a tangible product or service, to fleece the economy. After all, if the money isnt 'real' then the effort to produce it doesnt need to be either. Thats why Wall street speculators have been raping the economy.

 

[Rod1]

If we all just went into debt and decided not to pay, then we'd all be multimillionaires like Bernie wants us to be!!

#feeltehburn

Sorry but republicans lost that moral battle a long time ago.

Compared to Trump, Bernie is a fiscal conservative.

 

[Prutfis]

This makes no sense. A high school drop out working 35 hours at the local car wash should be enough money to support his entire life without assistance? That is an idealistic and unreasonable way of thinking, at best.

No it actually isn´t. Full time job = livable wage.. You really think that someone working full time should rely on assistance just to live? Thats some 3rd world shit man. Just because you don´t deem a job important or worth payment doesn´t mean that is the case in regards to society as a whole. Hell when I finished the danish equivalent of high school in 95 i worked for a year building fridges. 0 job training. 37 hour weeks, 40k a year, 6 weeks paid vacation. It works in plenty of countries (who have strong unions).. The US middle wage is 3rd world dogshit that has stagnated while expenses have risen exponentially. Adjusted for inflation the US minimum wage was at it´s best in 1968.

What I find really strange is the fact that many Americans, who are against a livable minimum wage are also the same people who want to slash government assistance programs and hand out bootstraps. Then they wonder about crime and poverty (not saying this is you)
There are also around 30% (21 million people) of non-self employed americans (hourly wages) that are right around minimum wage. Can´t have the fuckers below me making money, then who would I feel better than?

 

[HIMBOB]

Why are they reporting median growth, instead of the growth of the average Americans wealth, or wages?

Is it because when you count median wealth, it allows for Jeff bezos becoming 50 billion richer, to be misrepresented and infer I somehow got a piece of that pie?

Youre thinking of average ie the mean.

Median is where half are above half are below.

So Bezos is cancelled out by one low income earner.

It's the best metric for this purpose.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Youre thinking of average ie the mean.

Median is where half are above half are below.

So Bezos is cancelled out by one low income earner.

It's the best metric for this purpose.

No.

If the wages of the bottom 99% of Americans was stagnent, and the 1% doubled their income, the median income would go up.

 

[Letssnuggle]

No, no the solution is lower taxes on the wealthy because then that money will trickle down. It worked for the serfs in medieval times. Look this is from a history book:

Did you miss the thread where median wages are at the highest point ever along with one of the highest labor force participation rates?

One of us lives in reality.

 

[emefer]

How much should someone get paid to wash my car or stock cereal in aisle 7? Most people with appropriate jobs have livable wages.

They should make enough to buy food and put a roof over their head. Didn’t you get it. Most workers, skilled or unskilled, are being underpaid while taxpayers subsidize the employers in the form of public assistance and the company makes huge profits.

 

[emefer]

This makes no sense. A high school drop out working 35 hours at the local car wash should be enough money to support his entire life without assistance? That is an idealistic and unreasonable way of thinking, at best.

Yes and your thinking is unreasonable. Why should taxpayers feed the car wash owners employees while the owner makes mad profit? Shouldn’t the employer be responsible for taking care of employees and not rob them to increase his own riches.

 

[emefer]

We need more regulations and free stuff. Everyone knows that’s how you grow the middle class.

Every time the minimum wage has been raised it has led to the rise in wages of all people and great economic growth because poor people spend money on things that actually help the economy while billionaires horde their cash where it does nothing for anyone.

 

[Roaming East]

You're making a lot of assumptions about my position without actually asking what that position is. Why is that? I haven't made any assumptions or suggestions about yours, and have stuck only to the topic. Care to explain why you are unable to do the same?

More importantly and back to the discussion, what countries does someone with no education and no experience make a livable wage washing cars? I'm listening. Name the countries that someone working 35 hours at the car wash makes enough money to sustain themselves without assistance.

The US.
-Get your GED
-Join the Army
-half ass the ASVAB
-congrats on 88M MOS
-spend initial enlistment scrubbing shit off humvees and trucks while banking college money and earning more in pay and benefits than 50% of Americans.

 

[cincymma79]

No.

If the wages of the bottom 99% of Americans was stagnent, and the 1% doubled their income, the median income would go up.

Only if the 1% had more people in it
Making them not the 1%
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