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Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by wrestlefan, Dec 7, 2017.
Find me a video because i can't find any.
Go watch hoost vs le banner in 1999. Hoost is easily 240 plus. Fuck you are stupid if you can't clearly see that.
Crocop all day.
Hoost, and Remy are 6 foot 4 plus. Aerts is 6 foot 3. None of these guys fought under 230lbs in their primes. They are all large men. Like I said, if you think otherwise you clearly have no clue what the fuck you are talking about
In this fight he was announced 97.8 kilograms, that's 215 pounds.
Who is the idiot now?
Ernesto hoost was the lightest out of them. Even then though he was generally around 220 but got heavier post 2000. But to say any of these guys are small is idiotic.
He was smaller then all of them... Andy Hug in the same video was announced 96.9 kilograms, smaller than Hoost.
Peter Aerts and Bonjansky were smaller than 240 in the early 2000, how do i know that?
Because they were 240 in the later part of their career when they were a lot bigger.
Go find me a video that says they were 240, if you are so sure.
I said smaller of the 3, I'm not talking about anyone else. Im not goin to waste my time looking for videos. Those guys weren't small period, I dont know where you are trying to go with this so I'm leaving this thread.
That's not true. The entire demolition would be very interesting to me.
Archie moore and jersey joe walcotte were many many years past their prime...and moore was a light heavyweight...considered the best of all time, by many...and he even knocked rocky down...but those guys were way past their prime...and against jersey joe...rocky was losing the entire fight, till I believe the very last round, when he caught walcotte with a punch and ko'd him...
Well marciano wasnt a big HW either but I get your point. And yeah jersey joe was winning that fight until that punch near the end of the fight. Was an awesome performance to watch by walcott.
Ngannou going full Bitcoin these days
Exactly! Tried to explain that as well.. and Lebanner was already 260-265 by then and jacked!
I am watching videos for you guys, i like watching fights.
Crocop vs Bonjansky in 2002, Bonjansky was billed 103 kilos and Crocop was billed 102 kilos, that's 227 lbs and 224 pounds respectively.
Bonjansky was NOT 240 pounds in the early 2000.
If your talking about the very early days of ADCC(the Kerr era) yes that's true but I'm talking more about the mid 00's.
What I think were definitely seeing more of is BJJ fighters merely dipping a toe into MMA are not committing fully, Roger Gracie being an obvious example. Were not though seeing talent on the level of Werdum, Maia and Jacare switching nearly as often as we did back in the day, again I suspect because BJJ is paying ever better and MMA is paying worse with few orgs ready to give out good paydays right off the bat based on someone's BJJ background.
At HW especially I think theres simply no doubt that elite sub grappling ability has declined massively, back in the day we had, Nog, Fedor, Barnett, Werdum, Sergei and Mir, these days we only have an old Werdum who can rarely get fights down anymore and honestly even on the ground doesn't look nearly as good to me, Werdum of a decade ago wouldn't have let Tybura escape like that, he would have had his back.
BJJ isn't paying nothing and never payed, you need to pay to sign up to IBJJF competitions.
Today there are new competitions that are paying jiu jitsu fighters like real athletes, like EBI, Polaris, Metamoris, Submission Underground, Absolute Berkut, but they aren't even close to what mma fighters are payed.
You can't live doing jiu jitsu competitions, every top competitor has also a gym with thousands of students, do seminars around the world or has a online subscription site like MGinAction.
That's how jiu itsu fighters get their money.
Trust me, most of the top dogs in jiu jitsu today, not everybody obviously, are into mma or plan to get into mma.
Rodolfo Viera and Bruno Malfacine are full time into mma, they left jiu jitsu.
Buchecha has been years he said he plasn to do mma and will train at AKA.
Dillon Danis is signed with Bellator, Gary Tonon and Gordon Ryan just announced to start training mma and said that will be their main focus going on.
Vagner Rocha after being cut by the UFC he is collecting medals in every competition that pays money, got third at ADCC, won recently the Eddie Bravo's Combat Jiu Jitsu, but he is still active in mma.
Francis, Cro Cop would get popped for PEDs again.
Crocop make francis cry by breaking his face with a punch
Mirko would destroy him. In straight up striking Mirko would fuck him up today, let alone 10 years ago.