Elections Pennsylvania 18th District Special Election (3/13)

democrats lost a bunch of seats in 2010 .. I'm reading the losses were so big it was the biggest since the 1938 midterm election .. surely that means people were done with obama ? he went on to be re-elected .. some of you are dying to see anything negative about trump through you biased lenses .. Trump will be president for 7 more years ladies .. let that marinate and sting a little more































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I wouldn't put it past Trump to embrace unions but he's never actually done it in the business world (most of his voters won't care). It would also go against most GOP candidates.

You never know
It would also go against every judicial nomination he's made, most notably, of course, Gorsuch.

But hey, don't let facts or actions get in the way of a good GOP story.
 
It's a big deal because Trump carried this district by about 20 points, and no Democrat should even be capable of a strong challenge there.
That sounds familiar.
 
He was for that area of PA imo.

PA is a very purple state. We have a lot of Dems that are pro gun and pro life.

So this is an indicator that white Americans are getting sick of Trump? I'm not challenging you I'm actually curious.
I'm no expert, but from the outside looking in, it may be slightly significant. Trump himself went there to campaign and was in full on "say anything no matter how outrageous and untrue" mode and it had no apparent effect. It reminds me of the election in which Moore was involved. Trump campaigned for his rival in the primaries and it almost seemed to hurt rather than help, and Moore won the nomination. It suggests to me that Trump's influence in either direction is minimal.
 


2018 is going to be a backlash year against the GOP.

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The only question in the Senate is whether Democrats can overcome an absolutely abysmal election map.

The only question in the House is whether or not GOP gerrymanders hold.
 
I'm no expert, but from the outside looking in, it may be slightly significant. Trump himself went there to campaign and was in full on "say anything no matter how outrageous and untrue" mode and it had no apparent effect. It reminds me of the election in which Moore was involved. Trump campaigned for his rival in the primaries and it almost seemed to hurt rather than help, and Moore won the nomination. It suggests to me that Trump's influence in either direction is minimal.

Trump does not have down ballot appeal.

But this is different than Alabama because this guy did not have Moore's baggage.
 
democrats lost a bunch of seats in 2010 .. I'm reading the losses were so big it was the biggest since the 1938 midterm election .. surely that means people were done with obama ? he went on to be re-elected .. some of you are dying to see anything negative about trump through you biased lenses .. Trump will be president for 7 more years ladies .. let that marinate and sting a little more

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Yeah, the GOP's unconstitutional gerrymandering had absolutely nothing to do with managing to win so many congressional seats after 2010.
 
Trump does not have down ballot appeal.

But this is different than Alabama because this guy did not have Moore's baggage.
No doubt, your first sentence is what I was getting at. He seems to do more harm than good when campaigning for others. I wonder if he will fail to realize it and campaign hard for the GOP in the mid-terms.
 
Regardless of who wins (it's my understand they're still counting and it's that close) this is already a disaster for the GOP. Putting a huge amount of resources to an area that should be a layup for Rs is a warning sign that the party is in severe trouble come November.

The smart principled conservatives were right to worry that Trump would be toxic to conservatism.
 
Why the alarm bells?

Consider: Not only is this a district President Trump won by about 20 points in November 2016, as plenty have pointed out, but there are 118 Republicans sitting in seats Trump won by less than the 18th Congressional District in Pennsylvania. Democrats need to flip a net of 24 seats to take back control of the House.

"We should be able to elect a box of hammers in this district," veteran Republican strategist Mike Murphy told the Washington Post's Robert Costa. "If we're losing here, you can bet there is a Democratic wave coming."
Lol

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/14/5934...l-election-could-mean-trouble-for-republicans
 
Will anyone even concede after the totals are in? I mean, Roy Moore was fighting until the end and it was clear that he lost.

Here, its so close that I find it hard that anyone will concede.
 
Interesting point from Paul Ryan

"This is something that you're not going to see repeated, because they [Democrats] didn't have a primary. They were able to pick a candidate who could run as a conservative, who ran against the minority leader, who ran on a conservative agenda. You will have primaries in all these other races, and the primaries bring them to the left. So I just don't think this is something they're going to be able to see a repeat of."
 
Will anyone even concede after the totals are in? I mean, Roy Moore was fighting until the end and it was clear that he lost.

Here, its so close that I find it hard that anyone will concede.

Saccone will drag it out and try to get a recount, but it's pretty much over. Unless somehow 600+ votes were screwed up in favor of Lamb.
 
Will anyone even concede after the totals are in? I mean, Roy Moore was fighting until the end and it was clear that he lost.

Here, its so close that I find it hard that anyone will concede.

I think this is part of the new republican way of running... They refuse to concede and will not admit defeat. I think Roy Moore still thinks there is a recount going on
 
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