Still think there is no white privilege?

First you have to look at how many black people have the education and experience to hold that position, then get back to me on why that number is so low. And it's not due to any white privilege.

It would certainly help if black kids that do well in school didn't get beat up and ostracized by other black students for 'actng white.'

It's a culture of losing.



'Get locked in on the process and stop worrying what the scoreboard says.'.
 
Talking about whitepriv is a nonstarter here. Those who don't "believe" in it will never suddenly decide to admit it's a thing. No amount of stats, science, or otherwise will change their mind because Ben Shapiro once said otherwise... and though they didn't actually follow his argument, they assume it is correct.

Another SJW without an argument. Shocker.
 
Another SJW without an argument. Shocker.
When a child tells me "There is a monster under my bed", I don't try to explain the finer points of how that is untrue. I simply say "Oh well I put a magic barrier around your bed so you're safe now"... because what is the point of reasoning something to someone with no reason?
 
I believe that the state of African American culture is because of the genocidal conditions that were imposed onto them for hundreds of years.

HOWEVER, I also think that the problems African Americans face is because of their culture and not any racism they face today.

I believe that both statements are true: that the conditions of today are due to the white privilege of yesterday but also that there isn't any white privilege today.
 
It would certainly help if black kids that do well in school didn't get beat up and ostracized by other black students for 'actng white.'

It's a culture of losing.'.
This is true. But how can you expect them to have a culture that values education whey were legally forbidden to read for hundreds of years? How can you expect them to have a culture that values work until they weren't allowed to be paid for their jobs for hundreds of years?

In modern times, how can they be expected to value education when they sent to segregated "schools" until just 50 years ago? How can they be expected to value work when they weren't allowed to work at 90% of their local economies due to Jim Crow and discrimination?

These values don't just appear in a culture out of nowhere and they were eliminated by.. I guess white privilege.. from African American culture.

Even though African Americans don't face discrimination today, culture isn't a product of today. Culture is a product of yesterday. And it was last week that African Americans were enslaved like animals and yesterday where they treated as second class citizens.
 
Yes it did. But now it depends on what you mean by white privilege now. If you mean did it exist and that has influences now then that is true. However as with all things we have swing the other way drastically to make up for it and part of the problem is still playing it up as an excuse is not fixing anything.

Swung the other way? I don't see that at all, if we're talking straight privilege/opportunity I would still rather be born into an average white family than any other in America today. I don't see how it's swung the other way.
 
Of course there is white privilege....Anybody who says no, is an idiot.


Now is it like some god-mode cheat code? hell no, plenty of poor whites but there is advantages to people liking you more or taking you more seriously if you are white when it comes to jobs/the law in America.



Also everybody born in the United States is privileged IMO...or any non-third world country.
 
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I value hard work because I've seen my father work hard and see the rewards of his work. He values hard work because he saw his father do the same.

I value education because I saw my father get a master's degree and see the benefit of that.

What my family's attitude towards work and education be if 4 generations ago, my family wasn't allowed to be paid for work and wasn't allowed to learn how to read? And if 2 generations ago, my grandfather wasn't allowed to hold a job at 90% of local businesses and was "educated" in a "school"?

I think that it's not a bad idea to take responsibility for this as Americans and recognize what our history has done to them. It doesn't mean that you're personally responsible. So, you don't even have an obligation to support policies like affirmative action.

But as a human being and as an American, not out of personal obligation, it's not exactly unethical to recognize why the disparity exists and still want to address it.
 
Because it doesn't fucking matter to anyone who's not a Marxist.

There is all-kinds of privilege - tall, thin, white, black, blonde, rich, female. It's an individual thing. And life ain't fair. Why are you so hung up on white people? Are you a bigot race warrior, or just a guilt-ridden SJW? Is there some country I'm unaware of that's soooo much more privilege-free and non-racist than the USA?
The ancestors of short people, obese people, etc. weren't enslaved, forbidden to read, sent to second rate "schools", not given the right to vote, and weren't forbidden to work.

That's why there's less of an effort to make up for anything our society may have done to them.

We did really bad things until very recently and there should be an effort to make up for them. Removing most discrimination from society and education was a great start but there's still more work to be done. There are deep fractures in culture that need to be fixed.

It's very easy to forget how bad some of the things our country did were because most of us weren't alive then to remember it. So, it's very easy to downplay the effect of centuries of enslavement and another century of Jim Crow. Or, in the case of women, the effect of centuries of being denied basic rights such as voting, working, and being allowed to go to school.

There's just no way you do those things up to 1965 and expect all the problems they caused to have been fixed by 2017.
 
When a child tells me "There is a monster under my bed", I don't try to explain the finer points of how that is untrue. I simply say "Oh well I put a magic barrier around your bed so you're safe now"... because what is the point of reasoning something to someone with no reason?

Bullshit excuse.

1. You completely ignore all the detailed arguments (reasoning) against the OP.
2. You claim your opponents have no reason. Demonstrably false. 16 pages worth.
3. You simultaneously spout off some dumb nonsense without offering any counter-argument ("reason").

This is the trifecta of failing to make a valid point.

Confirmed SJW.
 
The OVERWHELMING majority of NBA players (multi-millionaires) are black. According to you, that would mean they clearly have black privilege.



This stupidity goes both ways.

If white men weren't allowed to play sports until 50 years ago and, today, there a huge shortage of white men in sports -- do you think 450 years of not being allowed to play sports would be partly responsible for that?
 
Asians make up 5.6% of the population.

I couldn't find the exact number on Asian CEO's but this is pretty telling.

Seventy-three percent of the senior executives, men and women, are white. The rest are 21% Asian, 3% Latino/a, 2% black, 0.6% two or more races, 0.2% Native American and 0.1% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.

http://fortune.com/2017/06/09/white-men-senior-executives-fortune-500-companies-diversity-data/

In other words Asians make up 21% of the senior executive positions at fortune 500 companies compared with blacks who make up I think 13% of the population and just 2% of senior executive positions.

Maybe there is Asian privilege but this thread is about white privilege
Lol at white and asian privilege. I hope you are black, if not you are a cucklord of the highest order here and that's saying a lot considering we are surrounded by several cucklords around here.
 
The ancestors of short people, obese people, etc. weren't enslaved, forbidden to read, sent to second rate "schools", not given the right to vote, and weren't forbidden to work.

That's why there's less of an effort to make up for anything our society may have done to them.

We did really bad things until very recently and there should be an effort to make up for them. Removing most discrimination from society and education was a great start but there's still more work to be done. There are deep fractures in culture that need to be fixed.

It's very easy to forget how bad some of the things our country did were because most of us weren't alive then to remember it. So, it's very easy to downplay the effect of centuries of enslavement and another century of Jim Crow. Or, in the case of women, the effect of centuries of being denied basic rights such as voting, working, and being allowed to go to school.

There's just no way you do those things up to 1965 and expect all the problems they caused to have been fixed by 2017.


I don't disagree with any of that, but that has little to do with the Marxist tactic of identity politics and the way they employ "white privilege" as a racist call to hate "whitey" and a socialist lever to get free shit. The oppression hierarchy is just a shit idea at the end of the day and has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with using envy and hate to pursue a wider leftist agenda. As another poster stated "there is no such thing as white privilege, there is only privilege". And what that really boils down to is "life ain't fair". How one gets things is important. A lot of rich kids never succeed because they're given things and they never developed a work ethic. They just coast and fail once they enter any competitive environment (college or real-world). All society can do for the black community is offer opportunity and extend a hand for them to pull themselves up. But they have to pull themselves up. No one can do the work for any individual.
 
The ancestors of short people, obese people, etc. weren't enslaved, forbidden to read, sent to second rate "schools", not given the right to vote, and weren't forbidden to work.

That's why there's less of an effort to make up for anything our society may have done to them.

We did really bad things until very recently and there should be an effort to make up for them. Removing most discrimination from society and education was a great start but there's still more work to be done. There are deep fractures in culture that need to be fixed.

It's very easy to forget how bad some of the things our country did were because most of us weren't alive then to remember it. So, it's very easy to downplay the effect of centuries of enslavement and another century of Jim Crow. Or, in the case of women, the effect of centuries of being denied basic rights such as voting, working, and being allowed to go to school.

There's just no way you do those things up to 1965 and expect all the problems they caused to have been fixed by 2017.
You're exactly right. But punishing groups of people, singling them out for problems not caused by them but caused in the past (was a way of life) is wrong. Especially considering these people and all their white privilege overwhelmingly have voted out terrible racist laws and discrimination towards women.

All that can be done now is time and effort from everyone. Calling people names and labeling tjem as having 'privelege' does nothing but piss people off and separate and divide us more.
 
You're exactly right. But punishing groups of people, singling them out for problems not caused by them but caused in the past (was a way of life) is wrong. Especially considering these people and all their white privilege overwhelmingly have voted out terrible racist laws and discrimination towards women.

All that can be done now is time and effort from everyone. Calling people names and labeling tjem as having 'privelege' does nothing but piss people off and separate and divide us more.

We did horrible things to these people for centuries. Just unimaginably terrible things. Horrible discrimination. "Reverse discrimination" is one way to make up for it.

I'm not saying that affirmative action is ethical. It's not. But it might be necessary.
 
We did horrible things to these people for centuries. Just unimaginably terrible things. Horrible discrimination. "Reverse discrimination" is one way to make up for it.

I'm not saying that affirmative action is ethical. It's not. But it might be necessary.
Uhmmm we all know about the horrible things, it's why today anybody can go and do/be anything. Instead we have people sulking, hating and blaming for attention and handouts when they could go out and make a real life out of themselves actually integrating with the rest of society that has open arms for them.
 
Bullshit excuse.

1. You completely ignore all the detailed arguments (reasoning) against the OP.
2. You claim your opponents have no reason. Demonstrably false. 16 pages worth.
3. You simultaneously spout off some dumb nonsense without offering any counter-argument ("reason").

This is the trifecta of failing to make a valid point.

Confirmed SJW.
Point to me where the "reasoning" comes into any of the arguments by those opposed to the concept of whitepriv. What you're going to point to is vapid attempts to discredit concepts of whitepriv that do nothing to actually argument for the lack of such a phenomenon.

Endless amounts of "Not all white people are CEOs. Therefor white privilege doesn't exist" and "If blacks focused on the right things they'd succeed to". Neither of which points to the systemic dampening of access and ability for African Americans to excel within our society for over 100 years prior to liberal attempts to rectify the issue.

Let's get down to brass tacks. Those who oppose the concept of white privilege are opposing the notion "They didn't work for what they earned", which is a strawman in itself. That is not the argument. The argument is that being white comes with a higher probability of being given head-starts and potential passes in a lifetime.

While not to lean to heavy on a hasty generalization, I can attest to being given far more opportunity and work-arounds than the black youth I train at my gym. I don't need to get into every detail, but sufficed to say they are simple to spot and easy to facepalm. It doesn't mean I didn't work hard. It doesn't mean I didn't earn a lot of what I got. But I also had more than a handful of situations where a work-around was handed to me, and part of that is the color of my skin (another being that I'm male).

That in no way is an apology for being either. There's no shame in knowing your advantages and playing to them. That said, to ignore them and pretend they don't exist is the height of the privilege itself.
 
There's no shame in knowing your advantages and playing to them. That said, to ignore them and pretend they don't exist is the height of the privilege itself.
Do you realize how insane it is to expect individuals to know their advantages over someone else? It's not only insane, but a waste of time. Why? Because race is just a one small component of advantages. It runs way deeper than just skin color. I'm talking about experiences, upbringing, culture, income, schooling, physical condition, location/country, etc. It's fucking endless. And most of that you won't ever know. So to just dismiss all these other variables, to reduce "advantages" to just skin color, is the height of willful ignorance. I can't even articulate how ignorant it is.

But you're highlighting what this issue is about, which is just identity based politics and a way to punish one particular group for something they have no control over. This has absolutely nothing to do with an honest search for truth.
 
Do you realize how insane it is to expect individuals to know their advantages over someone else? It's not only insane, but a waste of time. Why?
Because it is knowable, and it is not hard to ascertain with minimal contemplation and experience.

Because race is just a one small component of advantages. It runs way deeper than just skin color.
As noted in my paragraphs, race is not the only thing. But even in your statement here, it is a component of advantage. So you have conceded the point.

I'm talking about experiences, upbringing, culture, income, schooling, physical condition, location/country, etc. It's fucking endless.
Many of the things you described here are a great example of where white privilege stems. Being white means a higher probability of better neighborhoods, better income and more affluent culture, all stemming from earning potential, which is often affected by race to some degree.

And most of that you won't ever know. So to just dismiss all these other variables, to reduce "advantages" to just skin color, is the height of willful ignorance. I can't even articulate how ignorant it is.

Nobody is dismissing other variables. People are dismissing white privilege.

But you're highlighting what this issue is about, which is just identity based politics and a way to punish one particular group for something they have no control over. This has absolutely nothing to do with an honest search for truth.

Indeed I am only noting white privilege exists and finding it humorous that some are attempting to negate that obvious truth.
 
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