Gottcha. I thought you meant not clean ending as in controversial.Well I do wish it had gone longer, but I agree with the sub victory. Just don’t like to see fights end in injury.
Any takedown can cause damage, but don’t aim for it. If you slam a guy too hard from a double and he lands on his head, that’s a knockout for you. So if you atack a sub and the guy hurt himself defending, that’s a sub.Doubles absolutely can cause damage.
When has a shoulder ever popped out in the ufc from an arm pull out to defend the arm bar from a stacked position? It wasnt like Mir v Williams
That's not the same thing as actually arm barring someone though... if someone has done an escape 1000 times, and this time was the exact same, except they happened to get injured because of preexisting injuries this 1/1000 time that's a freak injury... I guess you can technically call it a sub, but it's obviously completely different than really hitting a clean sub that would submit someone without an injuryPeople do the hitchhiker’s scape 1000 times, but one time they get stuck and yank too hard, they shoulders are gone, due to the sub. That’s the same
People pull their arms out of loose arm bars like that 1000’s of times lol, that is a 1 in 10000 freak injury
Not a legit sub at all
Any takedown can cause damage, but don’t aim for it. If you slam a guy too hard from a double and he lands on his head, that’s a knockout for you. So if you atack a sub and the guy hurt himself defending, that’s a sub.
the armbar targe the elbow, but the hitchhiker’s scape for instances put your shoulder ate risk, that’s the same.
It didn't look tight to me at all though, it looked like there was very little pressure needed to injure Ortega's shoulder... just a freak accident because Ortega had an already compromised shoulderI've escaped tons of times the same way, but I put one knee directly up against the tailbone of the opponent to keep him from extending and mess around with the rhythm before really yanking it out. I just think Ortega didn't expect to be put in an armbar and was absolutely shocked Yair had the balls to go for it, and furthermore, do it correctly.
If Brian injures himself escaping, that's on him. It's not like he threw a punch and suddenly grabbed his shoulder in pain or he was lighting up Yair and twisted his ankle by slipping on a sweat puddle or something... Ortega's posture was compromised, making the armbar legit IMO.
Yeah that's a good comparisonRight, and if the guy defending the takedown tears a ligament in his knee, that's also a win.
I see what you're saying, but respectfully disagree.That's not the same thing as actually arm barring someone though... if someone has done an escape 1000 times, and this time was the exact same, except they happened to get injured because of preexisting injuries this 1/1000 time that's a freak injury... I guess you can technically call it a sub, but it's obviously completely different than really hitting a clean sub that would submit someone without an injury
That's not the same thing as actually arm barring someone though... if someone has done an escape 1000 times, and this time was the exact same, except they happened to get injured because of preexisting injuries this 1/1000 time that's a freak injury... I guess you can technically call it a sub, but it's obviously completely different than really hitting a clean sub that would submit someone without an injury
He snapped his forearm in half... that wasn't due to a preexisting injury... that wasn't a freak accident, if you put them in the same position the same thing would happenI see what you're saying, but respectfully disagree.
Mir v Sylvia. Sylvia was pulling his elbow out, but Mir was so strong that he broke Sylvia's forearm instead of dislocated his elbow.
That's a "tap or snap" sub.
So was tonight's.
Imagine a knee popping out during a kneebar and people calling it a freak injury
Cmon man. You sound like Phil Helmouth. "I'd beat you 999 times out of 1000!" after losing.He snapped his forearm in half... that wasn't due to a preexisting injury... that wasn't a freak accident, if you put them in the same position the same thing would happen
Ortega vs Yair is a 1/1000 chance type of thing you wouldn't consistently get if you put them in the same position
I liked someone's example comparing it to blowing a knee out when getting taken downOne can make the argument that he popped his shoulder escaping a tight armbar.
Lol don't compare me to that narcissist weirdoCmon man. You sound like Phil Helmouth. "I'd beat you 999 times out of 1000!" after losing.
It isn't my fault this crowd is too dumb and thinks they got screwed out of a result. It wasn't a nut kick. It wasn't an eye poke. It was not a foul or an early stoppage. Ortega got caught in an armbar, pulled out quickly and dislocated his shoulder in the process. I'm sorry the casual crowd doesn't know what they're watching.
That's a legit win for Yair. That was final enough for me. Ortega got caught in a sub and didn't get out of it intelligently. Shoulder dislocated.
His shoulder was fine when he stepped in there. It was wrecked in the fight. Sorry dude that’s an LWasn't deep and it was a standard escape. You can say it's legit but its akin to a knee injury from sprawling
Ah. So you're saying it's more like Shogun v Coleman 1 (Shogun broke his arm planting on a takedown) than Mir v Sylvia 1.I liked someone's example comparing it to blowing a knee out when getting taken down
You could argue that the guy hitting the TD made his opponent's knee blow out... but it's a freak injury that wouldn't normally happen in that position