Social The Media is attacking Joe Rogan for saying he would prefer Trump over Biden

[Wadtucket]

Meh, not that bad. A bit of stammering and self correction. He has real doosies out there however

Wat

I have no idea what he was trying to say

Do you have a boomer-zoomer translator that you can share with me?

 

[Not A Theist]

Discussion is discouraged and opposing viewpoints demonized...

Yeah, but only the bad ones.

 

[BIKES!]

The leftist media arm will strike down with great vengeance and furious anger those who seek to think on their own

 

[Madmick]

He brought in further left democrats and independents, but not the core of the party and he rightfully lost. He doesnt know how to build a strong coalition

Bernie doesn't know how to build a base.

Here are the facts. He's not stronger than Biden among independents nationwide, and he's certainly not stronger among conservative-leaning independents. The more important truth is that independents and far-leftists just aren't that plentiful. That's why he got creamed by Biden despite the false momentum he gained early on due to Buttgieg and Klobuchar disrupting Biden's base. Still, it's an interesting question how strong he is with Independents in the key battleground states.

THESE SIX STATES COULD DETERMINE THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Experts generally agree that the key swing states to focus on this year are Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin—all of which were won by Trump in 2016.

They're counting out Minnesota, which I don't think is a certainty, but I'll accept this list. Experts also point to North Carolina as being up for grabs which Trump won by 3.7% in 2016, but who kicked out 9 Republicans from the House in 2018, and elected a Democratic governor.

I'm telling you the Democrats are so mad they'll damn well put diesel in a tank they know takes gas just to spite the red hat wearing trucker.

Trump isn't going to flip any more states than he already did in 2016 except possibly Minnesota, and that's a longshot. Colorado is a battleground state, but he seems particularly disliked there, and it's only tilted more Democratic in the past four years. Biden won't win South Carolina even if it is his home state, and I still think Texas is out of reach for Democrats, too. Biden obviously isn't popular in Ohio, so that will stay red. I don't care if he's ahead of Bernie in the Missouri polls, he also isn't taking that from Trump.

That means 2020 comes down to Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Arizona.

This is why Biden could benefit greatly from Warren, who is seen as progressive and pro-poor, but not revolutionary, and also why he shouldn't kowtow to the anti-establishment, socialist, Latino vote with his VP pick; in other words, AOC would be a disaster for him. That's because Arizona carries 11 electoral votes to Florida's 29.

He's already great in the North, but he needs to cinch that up. So he needs to go after the working class voters there, and strengthen his appeal to hispanics in a way that doesn't alienate Floridians who have a memory because their parents & grandparents actually lived through Castro's atrocities. Bernie as a VP would lose him that state.

Using CNN's exit polls:

(Total Electoral Votes) Independents, Biden vs. Bernie
(11) Arizona = 37% vs. 51%
(29) Florida = 48% vs. 32%
(16) Michigan = 42% vs. 46%
(15) North Carolina = 29% vs. 34%
(20) Pennsylvania = n/a
(10) Wisconsin = n/a

Bernie has lost every one of the first four battleground states that has voted so far: Michigan by 19%, North Carolina by 17%, Arizona by 11%, and most critically of all, Florida by a 3-to-1 margin of nearly 40%. Meanwhile, every one of these four states has either a closed or semi-closed primary, so the independents being polled here are all already signaling an intent to vote for a Democrat. This means Bernie is barely more popular with left-voting independents state by state (he likely enjoys fewer votes in total across the four), in states where he got creamed by Biden, and not in the state most critical to winning the election-- Florida.

Bernie would have been destroyed in the general election. He would have set a historic margin for underperformance in the electoral vote respective to his popular vote. The primaries are making that clear.

One would hope Berniebots in the USA would accept this truth.

 

[Joe]

You seriously believe Sleepy Joe or Killary could possibly keep up the pace that The Don has these past 3 1/2 years???

That 40% time spent at a country club sure is an impressive pace

 

[KOFalconPunch]

Meanwhile, this is what Dr. Biden's genius input on the situation is:

lol this guy maybe more entertaining than Trump now. Hard to envision before, but now just give him a microphone for more than 5 minutes. He can’t help himself. This is must see television.

 

[SBJJ]

lol this guy maybe more entertaining than Trump now. Hard to envision before, but now just give him a microphone for more than 5 minutes. He can’t help himself. This is must see television.

Listen here Pony Boy!

Don't make me take you round back for an ass whoopin. No Malarkey bub. You like push ups! How bout push up pops? My favorite is chocolate swirl. On a hot day my push up pop would melt. No joke Jack! Hot days on the patio with my son Hunter texas ranger and my wife Melania. No sunscreen needed Jack. My chest hair protects me from those TV rays. Just like those silverback kangaroos. Silverback is good band Jack. That Steven Tyler has a set of pipes and that ain't no malarkey

 

[BAM]

Wat

I have no idea what he was trying to say

Do you have a boomer-zoomer translator that you can share with me?

There is a controversy about keeping the primaries open during caronavirus, most recently Wisconsin. Bernie supporters are upset that state governors were keeping polls open instead of delaying voting for months. Voting now favours Biden, he wants the polls open. In the clip he is trying to justify keeping the polls open by saying America has always kept the polls open during tough times, including the Civil War and the Spanish Flu, which was in 1918 (fucked up the year). That democracy comes first and doesnt play second fiddle. He is also claiming that there is no conflict and that voting can occur while keeping public health uncompromised.

He is full of shit, not senile

 

[Wadtucket]

There is a controversy about keeping the primaries open during caronavirus, most recently Wisconsin. Bernie supporters are upset that state governors were keeping polls open instead of delaying voting for months. Voting now favours Biden, he wants the polls open. In the clip he is trying to justify keeping the polls open by saying America has always kept the polls open during tough times, including the Civil War and the Spanish Flu, which was in 1918 (fucked up the year). That democracy comes first and doesnt play second fiddle. He is also claiming that there is no conflict and that voting can occur while keeping public health uncompromised.

He is full of shit, not senile

Thanks for the translation, I genuinely had no idea what he was talking about

 

[mmacasualviewer]

Do we know if Biden or Bernie deep down care any more than Trump?

Seems like Bern isn't a people person like Trump or Biden.

 

[blaseblah]

Bernie doesn't know how to build a base.

Here are the facts. He's not stronger than Biden among independents nationwide, and he's certainly not stronger among conservative-leaning independents. The more important truth is that independents and far-leftists just aren't that plentiful. That's why he got creamed by Biden despite the false momentum he gained early on due to Buttgieg and Klobuchar disrupting Biden's base. Still, it's an interesting question how strong he is with Independents in the key battleground states.

THESE SIX STATES COULD DETERMINE THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Experts generally agree that the key swing states to focus on this year are Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin—all of which were won by Trump in 2016.

They're counting out Minnesota, which I don't think is a certainty, but I'll accept this list. Experts also point to North Carolina as being up for grabs which Trump won by 3.7% in 2016, but who kicked out 9 Republicans from the House in 2018, and elected a Democratic governor.

Using CNN's exit polls:

(Total Electoral Votes) Independents, Biden vs. Bernie
(11) Arizona = 37% vs. 51%
(29) Florida = 48% vs. 32%
(16) Michigan = 42% vs. 46%
(15) North Carolina = 29% vs. 34%
(20) Pennsylvania = n/a
(10) Wisconsin = n/a

Bernie has lost every one of the first four battleground states that has voted so far: Michigan by 19%, North Carolina by 17%, Arizona by 11%, and most critically of all, Florida by a 3-to-1 margin of nearly 40%. Meanwhile, every one of these four states has either a closed or semi-closed primary, so the independents being polled here are all already signaling an intent to vote for a Democrat. This means Bernie is barely more popular with left-voting independents state by state (he likely enjoys fewer votes in total across the four), in states where he got creamed by Biden, and not in the state most critical to winning the election-- Florida.

Bernie would have been destroyed in the general election. He would have set a historic margin for underperformance in the electoral vote respective to his popular vote. The primaries are making that clear.

One would hope Berniebots in the USA would accept this truth.

lol, not sure how you're taking a poll showing Bernie is more popular among independents in swing states and trying to spin it as a negative. Just to be clear here, Florida is the only closed primary on that list.

 

[Merlotte's]

lol this guy maybe more entertaining than Trump now. Hard to envision before, but now just give him a microphone for more than 5 minutes. He can’t help himself. This is must see television.

Biden is going to be infinitely more meme-able than Trump and I am ready for an Uncle Joe presidency.

 

[Madmick]

lol, not sure how you're taking a poll showing Bernie is more popular among independents in swing states and trying to spin it as a negative. Just to be clear here, Florida is the only closed primary on that list.

Funny. I'm not the one who has to spin a loser. You guys keep saying Bernie is popular, but then he always loses.

I'm not discussing a poll-- exit polls. Not as precise. I'm pointing out that Bernie is far less popular overall in those states even accounting for a nominal advantage in (left-leaning) independents.

Wake up and smell the reality. Past studies of election results (and comparative polls of voters themselves) have shown that independents are just closet partisans. Something like ~85% vote down party lines one way or the other. You can't take for granted registered Democrats lining up behind Bernie anymore than you can assume Bernie will win more independents when pitted against a Republican versus other Democrats. Trump was the dominant force among independents.

Furthermore, you can't expect Democrats to show up to the polls if they don't like the choice they're given, and one can presume that the more popular candidate within the party would suffer more by a lack of voter participation. Berniebots are in love with this fantasy Bernie generates enthusiasm, but he only generates their enthusiasm; his strongest demographics haven't showed up, yet, despite record-setting voter turnouts. It's a mythical delusion. You take for granted their support and enthusiasm, but aggressively assert that opposite isn't true for Bernie despite that independents are just those closet partisans, anyway, who didn't show up for him the primaries.

The only state already measured Bernie would have a prayer of winning that Biden might not is Arizona where he isn't much less popular among staunch Democrats, and where the Independents make up a vast portion of the population (about a 1/3, now). That's 11 electoral votes. The only one beside that might be Wisconsin, but it usually goes the way Michigan goes, and Michigan was a supposedly "anti-establishment" state where Bernie was to make his last substantive stand; he got destroyed there.

 

[blaseblah]

Funny. I'm not the one who has to spin a loser. You guys keep saying Bernie is popular, but then he always loses.

I'm not discussing a poll-- exit polls. Not as precise. I'm pointing out that Bernie is far less popular overall in those states even accounting for a nominal advantage in (left-leaning) independents.

Wake up and smell the reality. Past studies of election results (and comparative polls of voters themselves) have shown that independents are just closet partisans. Something like ~85% vote down party lines one way or the other. You can't take for granted registered Democrats lining up behind Bernie anymore than you can assume Bernie will win more independents when pitted against a Republican versus other Democrats. Trump was the dominant force among independents.

Furthermore, you can't expect Democrats to show up to the polls if they don't like the choice they're given, and one can presume that the more popular candidate within the party would suffer more by a lack of voter participation. Berniebots are in love with this fantasy Bernie generates enthusiasm, but he only generates their enthusiasm; his strongest demographics haven't showed up, yet, despite record-setting voter turnouts. It's a mythical delusion. You take for granted their support and enthusiasm, but aggressively assert that opposite isn't true for Bernie despite that independents are just those closet partisans, anyway, who didn't show up for him the primaries.

The only state already measured Bernie would have a prayer of winning that Biden might not is Arizona where he isn't much less popular among staunch Democrats, and where the Independents make up a vast portion of the population (about a 1/3, now). That's 11 electoral votes. The only one beside that might be Wisconsin, but it usually goes the way Michigan goes, and Michigan was a supposedly "anti-establishment" state where Bernie was to make his last substantive stand; he got destroyed there.

Did the non-independents over 45 go for Biden because they agreed with his policies or because they were told by the DNC and the media that he was the guy to beat Trump? That is the ultimate question that needs to be asked.

The reason I believe Bernie was the stronger candidate is precisely because the true blue democrats are reliable. They are much more likely to show up and vote. But history has shown throughout my lifetime that democrats can't win general elections by nominating the boring "electable" candidate with a terrible record. They haven't in the past two decades. The only democrat who has won the general election in that time frame was the guy with the middle name "Hussein" who ran his campaign on change and healthcare reform.

 

[Fanu]

The leftist media arm will strike down with great vengeance and furious anger those who seek to think on their own

as does the right wing media/conservatives

political and economical sphere in US is diseased

 

[Madmick]

Did the non-independents over 45 go for Biden because they agreed with his policies or because they were told by the DNC and the media that he was the guy to beat Trump?

This right here offers a perfect example of a far too common arrogance among Bernie supporters. Everyone else is a sheep. No, only you are capable of independent thought.

Yet another delusion.

 

[ocean size]

AHe’s an older guy and he’s always been a gaffe machine. Let’s not pretend Biden has ever been a polished public speaker.

That's the biggest driver of the dementia trope. Half of the people saying it whether left or (mostly) right were not aware of politics in the pre-Trump era to know that Biden has always tripped over his words. If he spoke like Obama did in 2015, then yeah sure maybe its a sign of slipping. But that's not even close to the case.

 

[bobgeese]

That's the biggest driver of the dementia trope. Half of the people saying it whether left or (mostly) right were not aware of politics in the pre-Trump era to know that Biden has always tripped over his words. If he spoke like Obama did in 2015, then yeah sure maybe its a sign of slipping. But that's not even close to the case.

Please motherfucker, back in reality,








Some of us have been paying attention to politics long enough to remember Joe Biden running up the stairs for his first appearance with Obama after being picked as VP. Biden has been slowly decaying for a decade. Today, he can barely spit out a paragraph.

 

[ocean size]

Please motherfucker, back in reality,








Some of us have been paying attention to politics long enough to remember Joe Biden running up the stairs for his first appearance with Obama after being picked as VP. Biden has been slowly decaying for a decade. Today, he can barely spit out a paragraph.

I was fucking rolling watching that . I won't bother pointing out how bad his gaffes were 10+ years ago or how even that one compares to windmill noise giving you cancer.

 

[bobgeese]

I was fucking rolling watching that . I won't bother pointing out how bad his gaffes were 10+ years ago or how even that one compares to windmill noise giving you cancer.

You mean like making racist jokes about 7/11 owners?


I been following politics a long time. You will not be able to post 5 quotes from his entire career that come anywhere near things he said from 17 until today.

Fact.