Today in 1945, Mussolini is executed by the Italian resistance; is fascism reemerging?

[InternetHero]

Did you see the graph I posted?

My statement was a demonstrable fact.

I think your graph is blocked by my java script limitations.

Do you have a direct link? As well, in advance, who produced the graph?

 

[Viva]

Benito made some remarkable mistakes that cost Italy greatly during the war, however his natural tendency to lead was quite impressive in its own right.

Good to see the spirit of nationalism isn’t dead in Italy.

Bravissimo!

 

[bobgeese]

I think your graph is blocked by my java script limitations.

Do you have a direct link? As well, in advance, who produced the graph?

Google it yourself.


The site is google trends, search alt right, search beginning of 16 until today.


It’s literally nothing, then Hillary uses it as another pathetic excuse, it has a huge spike. It has one more spike which I have to assume is charlotesville, then back to nothing.


It’s not me saying it, it’s the biggest search engine in the world. Literally nobody heard of the alt right until it became another Hillary excuse.

 

[Karasu-Hanta]

Also, I've been dubbed once that ought to be enough. I really don't care to be a part of any of this anymore but I thought it was important enough to respond to your post.

Then goose step your way out of here Klause.

 

[InternetHero]

Google it yourself.


The site is google trends, search alt right, search beginning of 16 until today.


It’s literally nothing, then Hillary uses it as another pathetic excuse, it has a huge spike. It has one more spike which I have to assume is charlotesville, then back to nothing.


It’s not me saying it, it’s the biggest search engine in the world. Literally nobody heard of the alt right until it became another Hillary excuse.

To be honest I have better things to do than embark on a possibly quixotic Google search of the alt-right.

Especially when I have clear and empirically valid ideas which I went to a considerable effort to lay out in previous posts.

 

[Steve-French]

Left Wing fascism is on the rise, but that's about it.

 

[Karasu-Hanta]

Well tread softly. ....

You're a good poster. Don't want to see you banned.

He linked a video made by white supremacists that blamed Jews for WW2 I got dubbs for swearing at someone he should be banned.

 

[Trotsky]

I think neo-liberal means the New Left in this context.

The word soup of political science is not something most posters probably grasp and if they have productive lives probably should not know.

Well, in all traditional discourse that I've seen "neoliberal" is confined to a movement, ideology, and period and is not used to describe 2018-era "new" liberals.

You know I very much appreciate political linguistics and nuance of the many meanings and usages of terms like liberal, republican, conservative, communist, Leninist, partisan, anarchist, etc.

But, in this case, I don't think there's such discussion to be had. What happened, very recently, is that leftists finally got to the forefront of the conversation in the Democratic Party and started talking about neoliberalism and how it applies to Bill and Hillary Clinton. Then right-wingers here, always salivating to hate on Clintons and never really caring much for research or terminological accuracy, started using the term as an insult to Democrats.

So it's less a meaningful ambiguity and more a bastardization by morons. Much like what Trump did to "fake news."

 

[bobgeese]

To be honest I have better things to do than embark on a possibly quixotic Google search of the alt-right.

Especially when I have clear and empirically valid ideas which I went to a considerable effort to lay out in previous posts.

So you ask for a graph, I provided you with directions to find the information in 1 minute, and you refuse to look at it?


Thanks for wasting my time, I’ll think twice before engaging with you in the future.

 

[Trotsky]

Left Wing fascism is on the rise, but that's about it.

Explain this. Tropodon said the same thing yet, when asked twice to explain, refused.

@InternetHero speaking of right-wingers not caring about terminological accuracy or coherency, the use of "fascism" for "politics I don't like" is a great example.

 

[InternetHero]

Well, in all traditional discourse that I've seen "neoliberal" is confined to a movement, ideology, and period and is not used to describe 2018-era "new" liberals.

You know I very much appreciate political linguistics and nuance of the many meanings and usages of terms like liberal, republican, conservative, communist, Leninist, partisan, anarchist, etc.

But, in this case, I don't think there's such discussion to be had. What happened, very recently, is that leftists finally got to the forefront of the conversation in the Democratic Party and started talking about neoliberalism and how it applies to Bill and Hillary Clinton. Then right-wingers here, always salivating to hate on Clintons and never really caring much for research or terminological accuracy, started using the term as an insult to Democrats.

So it's less a meaningful ambiguity and more a bastardization by morons. Much like what Trump did to "fake news."

I can certainly admire your appreciation of proper political terminology, as the use and misuse lead to a lot of misunderstanding, labeling, and general misinformation.

Alas, most people involved in political discourse are not going to know how to use these words or terms. Therefore, if the spirit is right and I at least understand what they want to mean that is my standard.

The Bastardization also becomes the new standard (or new low...) over time.

That may be doubly true on the right where Michael Savage has 20x the adherents of a Jonah Goldberg or Mark Steyn, who whatever your or my thoughts on their politics, at least try to use the proper words and ideas for the proper things.

Summary: The common politically active individual is never going to "get it" when it comes to higher political terms.

Educating them, or trying to is all well and good, but they are also more likely to listen if we understand ignorance as innocent rather than as a vice.



There are words and phrases I do not "get" on a regular basis, or will have to create my own or adapt or "dumb down" my ridiculous thoughts for the common audience to "get." If not, there might be like 25 posters who have any idea what we are talking about without the layman understanding.




Imagine too, if we started to talk about say Russian revolutionary history, you are going to know a lot of area-specific terms that I will understand in spirit but not meaning, that I will only partially understand, and I am sure you would know many ideas about the different factions and competing versions of socialism that I have never even heard of.

All part of the process of putting together what few good ideas we all possess into a common understanding, as common as the language will allow anyway.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

Some of the same paranoia/propaganda surrounding the rise of fascism is slowly rearing its ugly head again and it's a phenomenon that has aided right wing populism a lot but it's still a far cry from actual fascism making a comeback.

 

[Jack V Savage]

FTR, I agree with your logic, but I would still hesitate to call right-libertarianism a "very authoritarian ideology" since authoritarianism is an effect, rather than a feature, of its actualization.

It is a feature of its actualization. The idea is a nation run by capital owners, with no input on governance by anyone else.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Left Wing fascism is on the rise, but that's about it.

What the heck are you talking about?

 

[Seaside]

I like how nobody responded to my post which was 2nd. More proof that most people are arrogant and scared of believing that history is not linear and that the future may not be what you want?

Height of arrogance the same the religious do it to. Instead you all cry about Obama or Trump and whine that your opinion matters. And naive believe things just magically follow linear line in life. So concerned with being right whatever that is.

 

[Jack V Savage]

That may be doubly true on the right where Michael Savage has 20x the adherents of a Jonah Goldberg or Mark Steyn, who whatever your or my thoughts on their politics, at least try to use the proper words and ideas for the proper things.

Jonah Goldberg on Mussolini:

Mussolini was born a socialist, he died a socialist, he never abandoned his love of socialism, he was one of the most important socialist intellectuals in Europe and was one of the most important socialist activists in Italy, and the only reason he got dubbed a fascist and therefore a right-winger is because he supported World War I.

Mussolini (founder of the National Fascist Party):

Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the “right”, a Fascist century.

I hardly think that one can use Goldberg as an example of someone who tries to use the proper words and ideas for the proper things. He's a rank propagandist who has his position because of nepotism.