Alex Pereira vs Ciryl Gane: Who wins?

[checktheknuckles]

Yall keep bringing up the Izzy fight, but you gotta remember cutting all that weight does affect your chin. Not having to cut weight at all, and in fact able to bulk up as much as you want would be a big benefit for Alex if he were to fight at HW, which would help his chin. I also imagine Alex calf kicks all these HWs into bolivia. Gane would be no different.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Apparently Alex P is gigantic for any weight class he’s in and wouldn’t be surprised if he looked like a good sized HW if he ever decides to go there.

Ciryl Gane is a good striker for HW, but that is a heavy asterisk. Being a good striker at HW is not that much of an accomplishment. He has a good jab and a good body kick, and that’s about it. His footwork is sloppy, his overhand punch looks like he’s drawing a rainbow, and his flurry’s against hurt opponents look like he’s imitating Donkey Kong.
He is, however, gigantic and very athletic for HW. I’ll give him that.

Alex P on the other hand is one of the best strikers in the UFC and Glory. His power transfers up weight classes, even with 10oz kickboxing gloves. Enough said. Not sure if he’d be big enough though.

Who would win?

Gane would likely turtle and give up a sub.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

I'm a huge fan of Pereira, but Gane would snap his body in half with those body kicks

Fane would turtle like the Jones fight in3secs. Tap to strikes quicker than gsp.

 

[Poirierfan]

Undefeated as a Muay Thai specialist as a heavyweight in a French promotion.... that's about as meaningful as being the best at your high school. Heavyweight Muay Thai on an international level is barren as hell let alone that Cyril only ever fought in France mostly against French fighters...

On the flip side Alex is a 2 division Glory champion and that actually means a lot. Only the best of the best can be champions in Glory.

Lol, Sean Strickland just schooled the man standing that beat your 2 division glory champ. Lol, all that doesn't mean shit apparently.

 

[BrockLesnarsTurtleBack]

Kick boxing isn't a real sport people need to stop using accomplishments from there it doesn't translate.

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

I love em both but I feel Gane is a bit too big for Alex.

Gane's footwork and elusiveness in general keeps him out of trouble and while I love Alex's style, he does leave himself open and I feel Gane if/when gane hits him it would keep Alex from opening up too much or actually hurt him.

 

[KOPPE]

Yall keep bringing up the Izzy fight, but you gotta remember cutting all that weight does affect your chin.

any man would drop dead if he got hit with that right. its not his chin, its his horrible defense

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Pereira by DQ (strikes to the back of the head)

 

[BoxerMaurits]

From the one example we've seen out of Poatan, his power hasn't translated to 205. Why should we believe it would to heavyweight? We're not dealing with the raw athleticism and explosion of Manhoef.
Gane makes it look easy.

Well, Alex viciously faceplanted to current GLORY light-heavyweight champion Donegi Abena to become interim light-heavyweight champion, his power for sure translates up to the higher weightclasses

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

I think Gane would be too big for Poatan, and probably has more reach too.

They're both dangerous strikers but yeah... size matters

 

[Skarsgard]

Well, Alex viciously faceplanted to current GLORY light-heavyweight champion Donegi Abena to become interim light-heavyweight champion, his power for sure translates up to the higher weightclasses

Specific to MMA. I should have specified.

 

[BoxerMaurits]

240? no chance dude.

He's about ~225 at LHW carrying a slight amount more body fat than MW. He's not finding 15 pounds of pure muscle out of nowhere.

Ciryl weighted in last fight at 250 lean. That's 25 pounds of pure muscle he has an Poatan. They both have poor technique with grappling, you bet your ass that 25 pounds of muscle is going to be the difference in clinch and wrestling exchanges.

Pereira weighed 230 lbs just 12 hours after weighing in for the Jan fight (while cutting a lot of weight).
I’m sure he would hit 240 lbs + if he didn’t have to cut any weight (and maybe wanted to put on some extra muscle)

 

[kja456]

Undefeated as a Muay Thai specialist as a heavyweight in a French promotion.... that's about as meaningful as being the best at your high school. Heavyweight Muay Thai on an international level is barren as hell let alone that Cyril only ever fought in France mostly against French fighters...

On the flip side Alex is a 2 division Glory champion and that actually means a lot. Only the best of the best can be champions in Glory.

Gane beat Yassine Boughanem who won the WBC Muay Thai Belt six monthes later, and successfully defended it 3 times and also won the W.P.M.F Muay Thai Belt ande succesfully defended it 2 times.

maybe not a lot of great fighters at heavyweight, but gane seemed set to be one of them before choosing to switch to MMA

 

[Sgt Smith]

Gane has holes, but I don't think Alex is the one to exploit them. Gane is a true HW with the best striking arsenal in that division. Alex has great striking as well, but this would be a massive step up for him in size and power. Gane is normally evasive, but he'd have a real opportunity to bully Alex with strength. Alex could win with his striking, but it would heavily favor Gane and rightfully so.

 

[Fight Professor]

Gane easily wins on feet. I doubt Alex's wrestling is anywhere near where it would give Gane trouble.

 

[mjfan23]

Alex P first three division champ

 

[Safton]

Gane has a good track record against fellow kickboxers. He put on a five-round clinic against Rozenstruik and barely got touched; the only complaint people had about that fight was that it was "too boring". He also handily outstruck Volkov (a win that has aged quite well), showing a great ability to adjust mid-fight to someone trying to kill him with calf kicks which -- by his own admission -- isn't what he expected his opponent to do and thus wasn't what he trained to defend against. Got clipped one time by Tuivasa in a fight he was otherwise dominating, recovered, and put him out. Also showed great defense against the most dangerous Heavyweight calf-kicker in that fight. Gane maintains a large stable of high-caliber training partners who would be ideal in preparing him for a striker like Pereira: high-level amateur/pro boxers, Glory kickboxers, etc.

Ciryl is also the bigger man who has shown far more of a willingness to shoot takedowns, hunt subs, or just introduce a clinch-heavy gameplan on the feet if and when he feels the need. There's a good chance that he would have ~20+ pounds on Pereira on fight night. If he wants to make it dirty he can and he has shown vastly superior cardio to Jan at elevation.

I have no issue acknowledging that Pereira is the more credentialed kickboxer and better in that realm in a P4P sense, but in the context of "Heavyweight MMA" Ciryl's experience shutting down dangerous Heavyweight strikers across five rounds is pretty telling to me. Size matters.

 

[AmonTobin]

I think Pereira would do better than Spivak, Tuivasa or Lewis. Gane can’t wrestle so he would be indulging Pereira’s style and strengths. Either way, that fight would be surreal.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

His footwork is sloppy

Who would win?

Name one HW that has fought multiple times for an upper tier promotion (ONE, PFL, Bellator, ACA, UFC) in the last 5 years with better footwork than Gane, just one, bet you cant do it because there are none.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

What do you mean too big?
Alex would be just as big though?
Ganes chin would definitely get tested.

Pereira could quite literally lift weights every day for the rest of his life and he would never come close to becoming as physically strong as Gane is now.

They may be the same height but there is likely in excess of 50 pounds that separate them naturally.

It would be like the equivalent of a Bantamweight fighting a Middleweight.