China's Xinjiang region legalizes Muslim concentration camps to educate and transform extremists

[franklinstower]

Oh I’ve skimmed through this thread, I just see a bunch of jackasses acting like experts, there’s nothing to learn here other than standard liberal bullshit and lies.

How dare china take a hard line on domestic terrorism!!!!! Those racist fucks!!!!

Skimming is no way to learn man and nothing you are saying addresses what I have said in any way and you would know that if you were not just skimming.

 

[bushman505]

Skimming is no way to learn man and nothing you are saying addresses what I have said in any way and you would know that if you were not just skimming.

I’ve seen nothing substantive from you. I think you are giving yourself too much credit.

 

[Orgasmo]

You are a radical -- that is clearly the problem. People like you have no ability or willingness to think in nuanced and intelligent ways. Left up to you we would all be hitting each other over the head with clubs.

The moderate educated allies that we have in the Muslim world who are fighting against extremism are better people than you are.

You're an idiot to think a religion built around a genocidal pedophile calling for the deaths of non-believers as its shining example would be compatible with Western democracy. You and your kind are HIV viruses, weakening the hosts immunity so the cancer can spread unchecked. There is a reason every Islamic society around earth are backward shitholes that oppress women and minorities. Funny enough, they're not far from the barbaric cavemen society you described. If they're getting their asses handed to them by Communists in some far away land, don't expect me to open my doors.

 

[franklinstower]

You are ignorant. Please educate yourself.

In Quran 98:6, "Unbelievers from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and polytheists will live in the fire of hell. They are the worst of all creatures."

So-called "moderate" Muslims believe in this passively.




To be fair, I will show you a "moderate" Muslim who isn't even fully Muslim.


Educate yourselves about the dangers of Islam. If you are ignorant, then of course you will just blindly accept everyone in a utopia of free love and happiness. Your ignorance becomes a danger for the rest of society.

You are all naive if you think immigration from 3rd World countries is the only solution for peace. Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and much less immigration. This point alone proves that monoculturalism works.

I know the dangers better than you and I know the breakdown percentage wise for muslims that passibley support directly support or stand against terrorism.

Posting a video interviewing random people does not change statistics you idiot. I got my info from Sam Harris giving a lecture (a harsh critic of Islam). He was quoting real hard science studies.

We have to make accurate and clear distinctions or else we will make misinformed choices.

 

[franklinstower]

You're an idiot to think a religion built around a genocidal pedophile calling for the deaths of non-believers as its shining example would be compatible with Western democracy. You and your kind are HIV viruses, weakening the hosts immunity so the cancer can spread unchecked. There is a reason every Islamic society around earth are backward shitholes that oppress women and minorities. Funny enough, they're not far from the barbaric cavemen society you described. If Communists and Muslims are murdering each other in some far away land, good fucking riddance to both.

You think almost exactly as the extremist Muslims do. You are like them and that explains your negative attraction to them.

 

[franklinstower]

I’ve seen nothing substantive from you. I think you are giving yourself too much credit.

Read man don't skim.

 

[m25105]

You are ignorant. Please educate yourself.

In Quran 98:6, "Unbelievers from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and polytheists will live in the fire of hell. They are the worst of all creatures."

So-called "moderate" Muslims believe in this passively.




To be fair, I will show you a "moderate" Muslim who isn't even fully Muslim.


Educate yourselves about the dangers of Islam. If you are ignorant, then of course you will just blindly accept everyone in a utopia of free love and happiness. Your ignorance becomes a danger for the rest of society.

You are all naive if you think immigration from 3rd World countries is the only solution for peace. Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and much less immigration. This point alone proves that monoculturalism works.

Congratulations, you found some a video that interviewed a few young Turks, saying heinous things. And yet the pew stat showed that only 12% wants Sharia law to be the law of the land. And 3% wanted stoning of adulterers. How many do you think that was interviewed wasn't used? Instead of fostering modern and progressive Islam you want to alienate people further away from it. Which is the dumbest thing ever. You combat extremist wahabism though moving away from that backwards fundamental interpretation of Islam to a moderate and progressive interpretation. You should be celebrating those that advocate for moderation, but I guess just being a Muslim means we're all part of a death cult or something.

 

[Orgasmo]

You think almost exactly as the extremist Muslims do. You are like them and that explains your negative attraction to them.

I'm not worshiping pedophiles and imposing my religion on a host society. Notice that nobody chopped you to pieces or tossed you in jail because you disagreed with them? Try that in the lands of Mohammad. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. I tolerate their religion and accept their religious rights for Muslims residing in the West, even if I find their beliefs utterly repulsive. I'm not calling for the invasion or meddling in their lands. I rather that they do not come here and stay in their Islamic paradise, but fools like you are obsessed about bringing them here.

 

[bushman505]

Congratulations, you found some a video that interviewed a few young Turks, saying heinous things. And yet the pew stat showed that only 12% wants Sharia law to be the law of the land. And 3% wanted stoning of adulterers. How many do you think that was interviewed wasn't used? Instead of fostering modern and progressive Islam you want to alienate people further away from it. Which is the dumbest thing ever. You combat extremist wahabism though moving away from that backwards fundamental interpretation of Islam to a moderate and progressive interpretation. You should be celebrating those that advocate for moderation, but I guess just being a Muslim means we're all part of a death cult or something.

Islam is in fact a death cult as evidenced by the quran and that pedophile rapist warlord muslims hold up as a peophet. It is a religion of extremism, subjugation of women as well as anybody who dosent convert to Islam. It is the farherst fucking thing from a religion of peace that there could possibly be.

You can turn on the news almost any day of the week and see atrocious acts of brutality and destruction all carried out in the name of Islam from all corners of the planet....but it’s peaceful??? Nope. It’s a shitty stone aged death cult that attracts the lowest denominators of societies and preys on disenfranchised assholes. There is not a single part of the world that has been made better by Islam and that’s a fact.

Oh but how dare the Chinese stand up to knife attacks, acid attacks, poisoning’s, firebombings and about like that...how dare they.

 

[m25105]

I'm not worshiping pedophiles and imposing my religion on a host society. Notice that nobody chopped you to pieces or tossed you in jail because you disagreed with them? Try that in the lands of Mohammad. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. I tolerate their religion and accept their religious rights for Muslims residing in the West, even if I find their beliefs utterly repulsive. I'm not calling for the invasion or meddling in their lands. I rather that they do not come here and stay in their Islamic paradise, but fools like you are obsessed about bringing them here.

Yeah, Turkey and Muslim countries streets are littered with the blood of western tourists cause they're not Muslims, mhm.
Brilliant logic there mate. Also nice insult, throwing the usual pedophile argument and that Muslims worship a man and not a God. You sure do know what you're talking about. Can I subscribe to your newsletter? Which one is it? Religionofpeace, AnsweringIslam or Jihadwatch? Or do you get it from one of the many brilliant youtubers?

 

[brownsmith76]

Congratulations, you found some a video that interviewed a few young Turks, saying heinous things. And yet the pew stat showed that only 12% wants Sharia law to be the law of the land. And 3% wanted stoning of adulterers. How many do you think that was interviewed wasn't used? Instead of fostering modern and progressive Islam you want to alienate people further away from it. Which is the dumbest thing ever. You combat extremist wahabism though moving away from that backwards fundamental interpretation of Islam to a moderate and progressive interpretation. You should be celebrating those that advocate for moderation, but I guess just being a Muslim means we're all part of a death cult or something.

You want to skip Egypt? How convenient.

You think random men walking around openly on the street saying this on camera is something that can be "dusted under the carpet"?

I bet you there are many more men who are camera shy and will not say it in public but believe in it just the same.

You want men to openly say that on your town's streets?


Muslims shout, "UK go to hell!"


Islam is a dangerous religion based on history and has implications in politics and business. Change my mind, you ignorant lefty liberals.

 

[m25105]

This thread has become crazy scary. I'm starting to get a good mental list on all the people who actively supports the idea of putting people in a concentration camp.

 

[TheGreatA]

You are a radical -- that is clearly the problem. People like you have no ability or willingness to think in nuanced and intelligent ways. Left up to you we would all be hitting each other over the head with clubs.

The moderate educated allies that we have in the Muslim world who are fighting against extremism are better people than you are.

You mean the same moderates educated allies that were fighting in Syria?

Uhm, I'm afraid I've got some bad news...

The factions in the Muslim world are basically split between Islamic fundamentalists and secular dictators. The Western-minded people are a total niche.

 

[m25105]

You want to skip Egypt? How convenient.

You think random men walking around openly on the street saying this on camera is something that can be "dusted under the rug"?

I bet you there are many more men who are camera shy and will not say it in public but believe in it.

You want men to openly say that on your town's streets?


Muslims shout, "UK go to hell!"


Islam is a dangerous religion based on history and has implications in politics and business. Change my mind, you ignorant lefty liberals.

Yeah there so many them. Let me see when Westboro baptists church goers do crazy stuff, it's just a minority, when crazy wahabist (whom by the way, their main sponsor is Saudi Arabia) do it, it's "Moderate Islam" yeah, makes sense.

Total stats of btw of Muslims supporting stoning of adulterers.

10% Russian
5% Kosovo
3 % Albania
3,15 % Bosnia
13,65 % Kyrgyzstan
13,77 Tajikistan
3,48 % Turkey
3,1 % Kazakhstan
51 % Malaysia
39% Thailand
34,56 % Indonesia
84,15 % Afghanistan
74,76 % Pakistan
45,1 % Bangladesh
74,76 % Palestine
59,94 % Egypt
47,57 % Jordan
52,78 % Iraq
13,34 % Lebanon
24,64% Tunisia

As you can see it's not black and white and countries differ, and I mentioned Turks cause you used a video with young Turkish men. Countries like Egypt and such needs to have a reformation away from the Hadiths which is the fuel that many extremists draw from.

 

[Sano]

Your argument doesn't work. It's a fallacy.

"This argument is also a logical fallacy known as ad hominem tu quoque. Meaning it is not a valid defense of Islam, but a diversion that some may construe as an indirect admission of Islam's flaws." https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Adverse_Effects_of_Islamic_Fasting#Responses_to_Apologetics

The point is that Islam isn't just a "modern" problem because of Western military attacks, but historically Muslims have conquered Persia, Spain, and Constantinople based upon their Quran and belief system.

On the French statistic, thank you for showing me a more accurate estimate of 40% to 50% for Muslim prisoners.

74% of Muslims in Egypt want sharia to be the law of the land.
81% of Muslims who want sharia to be the official law in Egypt want to stone women who commit adultery.


I want you to look very carefully at this hidden, undercover camera video of a Muslim school. They're lying to the education authorities that they're tolerant, when they are not. If you ignore this, then you are just another left-wing apologist for Muslims.

You know what you can do with your logical fallacies right?

The reason I mentioned christians and atheist was not to defend islam. I mentioned them because you singling out muslims as supporters of nazism no more aligns nazism with islam than it does atheism or christianity. Therefor it's not a valid argument to make if you want to attribute it to them alone, and if not alone, what's your point with bringing it up? There a plenty of legitimate criticism of islam. Now you're pivoting with the "historically muslims have conquered", should be talk about the battle of belgrad, the war with the pagans, crusades, witch burnings, spanish inquisition, killing of heredics, the missionaries, native genocide, colonization and so on. And I'll stop you dead in your tracks with your fallacy/whataboutism defense. Both are bad, so either they both count equally or they don't count at all.

No, the 40-50% is just necessarily a more accurate estimate, it's another estimate by the author of a book, based on no data to back it up with. The closest real data was the data in the article that I provided to you. I know you read it, so you know.

So 60% (81% of 71%) of Egyptian muslims who answered the poll believes adultury should be punished by stoning. That is fucked up. If you're trying to get me to defend that shit that's not going to happen. I despise (religious) fundamentalisme and extremism. Anyone who believes in sharia are also wacked. Can you provide the link to the pew data please?

Honestly I expected worse in that video, but it's fucked. It reminded me a lot of the rhetoric in this thread, only a lot more tame. That's what I mean by you guys being two sides of the same coin. "The other side is subhuman" line of argumentation.

 

[m25105]

Also why on earth are we debating Islam again. Can't you lot stop your fear mongering hate for one second and recognise what is happening in China is completely inhumane? It's scary.. it really is. You lot are only a few steps away from advocating full on murder.

 

[TheGreatA]

This thread has become crazy scary. I'm starting to get a good mental list on all the people who actively supports the idea of putting people in a concentration camp.

We have concentration camps here in the West too. They're called prisons.

The United States has China beat when it comes to the number of incarcerated people. Even though they have a much smaller population.

 

[m25105]

We have concentration camps here in the West too. They're called prisons.

The United States has China beat when it comes to the number of incarcerated people. Even though they have a much smaller population.

You won't find me agreeing on how America treats their prisoners (not to mention the private prisons) is a good thing. I find it abhorrent, and one could argue that at least in the 3rd world prisons the prisoners can at least "socialise" with other prisoners than being locked up in a small room confined to a complete solitary existence is a better alternative.

 

[MicroBrew]

We have concentration camps here in the West too. They're called prisons.

The United States has China beat when it comes to the number of incarcerated people. Even though they have a much smaller population.

The US does deserve a lot of criticism for its problems with incarceration and the justice system, but Western countries' stats on such matters are relatively honest. Can anyone say the same thing about China?

 

[Sano]

Oh I’ve skimmed through this thread, I just see a bunch of jackasses acting like experts, there’s nothing to learn here other than standard liberal bullshit and lies.

How dare china take a hard line on domestic terrorism!!!!! Those racist fucks!!!!

What about you reply to this post I already qouted you in?

A million of Uighurs and Kazahks forced in concentration camps in 12 months and they are "conveniently" extremists? Do you really believe that? The Chinese government are trying to eraducate the ethnic and muslim minorities simply because they want them to conform. If you don't see what a dangerous precedent this sets then you're blinded by irrational hatred.

Is this bizzaro world where all the "free spech" absolutist suddenly support a communist Chinese government putting people in concentration camps based on their religious expression? What the fuck.

It has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative.