Death penalty for drug dealers? Trump approves.

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  1. JonnyRingo84

    JonnyRingo84 Gold Belt

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    how is it the ultimate punishment? you cannot be punished in the afterlife by us.

    no.

    you could still have decades of your life left after being wrongly imprisoned. maybe even with a sweet payoff from the govt. granted, most would rather have never been in prison at all, but thats better than being dead.

    plenty, yes. but 100% of those who were executed, are dead.

    see above. seems obvious. you're trying to claim "welp, we can mess up in both situations, so its a wash." it isnt.

    right, but more time to prove innocence is better. once you kill someone, you cant even make an attempt at taking it back.

    why shouldnt that be considered? are they guilty of a crime?

    thats the tail wagging the dog imo. the state should make the best decision for the most citizens possible (e.g. all the stakeholders involved, not just the offender and the victim). why should the state not be concerned about creating more ancillary victims of one type or another?
     
  2. HereticBD

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    Except, that's not what he was saying. He was saying executing the "guilty" murderer of someone, won't bring the dead victim back, so by executing the perp, you're only expanding the pool of victims of the crime. That being the perp and their family.

    Step down from your high horse, and learn to read before you address me.
     
  3. Quequeg

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    You are ignoring the fact that our justice system is too error prone to give it the ultimate power of life and death.
     
  4. HereticBD

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    For it apparently not being a punishment at all, you sure do seem to be arguing that it's an unjust one.

    Once that gavel comes down, it's damn near impossible to reverse the decision.

    So are the ones who never proved their innocence, and died in prison.

    They do consider it. They let them plead their case for the convicted at sentencing.

    Where does that begin and end? Isn't knowing your loved one is suffering in prison, a punishment? Should we stop locking people up now, because of potential psychological effects it might have on their families?
     
  5. oldshadow

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    Some people deserve to die for what they did.

    Now the death pentialy is only given in few cases and those there is no doubt the person did it.

    The justice system is about justice for the victims first. The to protect society second. Part of protecting society should be rehabilitation for some that are going to be released if they want it. They should be encouraged to nd there is some available but more should be. Our system needs an overhaul in that respect for sure. Doing away with for profit prisons is the first step . Then taking back control of the prisons is the second.
     
  6. RollsRoyceGracie

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    That graph seriously looks like you just created it on Mario Paint.
     
  7. tonni

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    What do you mean exactly? Plenty of people have been found innocent after or before their executions.
     
  8. zebby23

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    Happens ALL THE TIME

    I have been making marginal donations to these guys for years

    https://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/
     
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    death penatly for huge dealers? i can see the argument but I would not want to be the one making that decision. ultimately id probably be against it, life in prison without parole.
     
  10. oldshadow

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    In the last 10 years or more the ability to get evidence us so improved and the cases of the death pentialy give has reduced.

    Link to all these incent people.
     
  11. zebby23

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    Even this is crazy... How about we legalize drugs?

    I never understood why the government cares if someone does nothing wrong except put a harmful substance into their body. Why is that illegal? Of course if you commit a crime while on drugs or in an attempt to obtain drugs that is different.

    Also under 18 different rules would apply
     
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    https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

    Death penalty should be abolished except in cases of unequivocal DNA evidence or a confession
     
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  13. tonni

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    https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

    That's people being freed from death row. You put too much faith in forensic evidence.
     
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    trump would've been dead by now and you'd have no one to worship
     
  16. zebby23

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    Right I mean unequivocal DNA evidence. Not a hair on the body or a blood stain in the room. I mean like DNA under the victims fingernails or man juice inside... And even then it should be mixed with a confession or iron clad witnesses. AND EVEN THEN.

    I would be fine for an all out abolishment of the death penalty
     
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    I'm not going through that to sort if the truly innocent are on it your source has an agenda and has had.

    I'm not for the death pentialy unless we are sure but some people do shit they deserve to die for.

    I don't care if we raise the bar on who and how they get it but like I said some people deserve to die for what they did.
     
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    So instead of checking if they are truly innocent, you'll just assume that everyone who gets the death penalty is rightfully being executed?
     
  19. oldshadow

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    We have a process for that. That's why it takes so long.
     
  20. tonni

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    The process is not entirely reliable, which is proven by the amount of people exonerated. In an ideal world I'd be in favor of state sanctioned death penalties, but the system is not reliable.
     

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