Democrat Congresswoman Calls Millions Of Americans "Domestic Security Threats"

[Anung Un Rama]

That's weak. She looked mean when she said those evil words . . . c'mon man.

Whats weak is you deliberately ignoring the imagery of the video, the tone, and the reaction its obviously meant to inspire.

 

[Stoic1]

Step 1B in silencing someone is to brand them as a liberal, leftist, marxist, communist, cuck, SJW, etc.

In case you haven't been watching the news those people aren't silenced. They are coddled and catered to. Need examples? See 2016-17 "protests".

 

[HomerThompson]

And I wasn't . . . but you know that.

You gave me the transcript to back up my words. Are you fucking serious? Of course we were talking about the NRA video. You posted the transcript for fuck's sake.

 

[dontsnitch]

There is a still a big problem even if I granted that there are multiple interpretations of the ad. It's just a numbers game. If I said that 20% of viewers interpreted that ad as a call to violence against those with different political views and 500k people saw the ad, 100k people interpret it that way.
The message is clear to me though and I find the defense of the ad pretty bizarre.

I only read the WaPo article, I thought this was about Castile.

Can you link the ad?

 

[spamking]

The clenched fist of truth is violence. It's also advocating for the NRA and it's supporters to have the indisputable truth on their side, and that is a very dangerous line of thinking(OBVIOUSLY).

What is violent about fighting lies with the truth? How has this gotten to the point where people can't even handle hyperbole? If I (as a lifetime NRA member) am not supposed to be offended by the stupid comment made by the Representative why can you guys take the ad and use it to fit your own agendas?

 

[HomerThompson]

I only read the WaPo article, I thought this was about Castile.

Can you link the ad?

They're on the first page.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

In case you haven't been watching the news those people aren't silenced. They are coddled and catered to. Need examples? See 2016-17 "protests".

And neither are the retards the Congressperson was referring to as a potential domestic terrorist threat, or whatever the exact verbiage was that has TS so triggered.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Germany's National Healthcare System started with Otto von Bismarck in 1883.

Read my post again carefully.

This fascinating bit of trivia doesn't contradict anything that I've said.

 

[dontsnitch]

To be honest, I don't think they are domestic security threats, and I don't back the congresswoman's use of language. That doesn't change the content of the videos released by the NRA though.

Hyperbole is indeed this era's M.O. Trump himself is a master of it.

 

[HomerThompson]

What is violent about fighting lies with the truth? How has this gotten to the point where people can't even handle hyperbole? If I (as a lifetime NRA member) am not supposed to be offended by the stupid comment made by the Representative why can you guys take the ad and use it to fit your own agendas?

I never said that you weren't supposed to be offended by it. I find it stupid personally, just like I find the NRA stupid. But, that ad and the others are far more incendiary than the congresswoman's tweets, and they also will reach a much wider audience.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

No, they they think the 1st amendment sucks, and now more than ever people need to be ready to shoot people that they disagree with politically. That's the only honest interpretation of the message.

But, this is going to end up just like the arguments about when Trump said that the 2nd Amendment people could do something about Hilary if she got elected. It was indisputably a, "wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean" statement implying that political violence is acceptable if it's against enemies. This is identical.

Quite the imagination you have.

Huh? Why can't you ever just make your point directly?

You can't seriously be confused over me offering you a bet. It was as direct as can be. Do you wanna put something where your mouth is or not? Surely an organization with millions of gun nuts will have at least one person answering such an obvious call, right? So let's bet on if there's violence or not. I can't make this any simpler for you.

 

[spamking]

You gave me the transcript to back up my words. Are you fucking serious? Of course we were talking about the NRA video. You posted the transcript for fuck's sake.

Holy crap man . . . I guess those clenched fists of truth will protect us . . . because of course we have to resort to violence 100% of the time because we're evil NRA members with guns and stuff.

That transcript didn't back up your words in any way, shape or form . . . but keep twisting them to fit your narrative.

Am I fucking serious.

 

[kpt018]

Or make crap up to fit your perceived narrative. Works both ways.

You can't say I'm making it up when so many people walk away with the same understanding that I did. That's the part that you guys can't grasp.

 

[HomerThompson]

Quite the imagination you have.




You can't seriously be confused over me offering you a bet. It was as direct as can be. Do you wanna put something where your mouth is or not? Surely an organization with millions of gun nuts will have at least one person answering such an obvious call, right? So let's bet on if there's violence or not. I can't make this any simpler for you.

Yes. Being extremely intelligent sometimes seems like being overly imaginative to dullards.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Read my post again carefully.

This fascinating bit of trivia doesn't contradict anything that I've said.

Well, you were trying to use Germany's National Healthcare to support your ascertain that Hitler was a socialist, so yeah, it pretty much did contradict what you said.

 

[spamking]

I never said that you weren't supposed to be offended by it. I find it stupid personally, just like I find the NRA stupid. But, that ad and the others are far more incendiary than the congresswoman's tweets, and they also will reach a much wider audience.

So being told the fight the violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth is worse than being labeled as a potential domestic terrorist?

Whatever man.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Isn't the DW-NOMINATE model based on partisan voting homogeneity in congress (as opposed to overall shifts in national policy)? Both parties could move left in absolute ideology while still polarizing within congress. I never disputed polarization or the GOP's modern reactionary nature.

Sort of. Party ID isn't an input in the evaluations of individuals (obviously used after results are generated to locate party means). And, yes, there's no analysis of the content of votes.

What's the alternative methodology that shows a big move to the left from both parties? For the country as a whole (rather than either party specifically), wouldn't Gini be the best measure (rising=further to the right; falling=further to the left)? That's gone consistently up, though looks like the trend is reversing with a lag from the ACA and some other Obama-era changes (some of which are under threat).

Note the lack of a massive DNC dip in the 1960s, during the large centrist exodus. That would represent actual ideology as opposed to congressional loyalty.

Not seeing any massive dip in the 1960s. Started the decade at a little under -0.2 and ended at a little over -0.3.

The NRA has always been the same. It's just more 'shocking' to modern sensibilities given that the organization was founded by cowboys and we've since moved to the left of everything sans Western Europe.

The NRA has not always been the same. It was started to advance marksmanship and has focused on gun safety for most of its history. The NRA even backed some gun-control measures. Here's a quote from the 1934 president:

I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.

Started to become a Republican organization in the late 1970s (and Reagan was its first presidential endorsement).

We've moved right on more issues than we've moved left on as actual socialism has disappeared as a viable alternative and we've made it easier for capital to cross borders (while still restricting labor).

 

[dontsnitch]

They're on the first page.

Not that 50 second ad of Dana saying she wants to fist, erm, fisk the NY times? That's not a security threat, that's just stupid.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Yes. Being extremely intelligent sometimes seems like being overly imaginative to dullards.

You think I'm a dullard?

 

[kpt018]

I only read the WaPo article, I thought this was about Castile.

Can you link the ad?

All good. There are videos on the first page posted by Falsedown but you can find a transcript online pretty easily, since it is a controversial add it's in the news.