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I have newfound respect for Ian Garry. Homie doesn't cut any weight at all and slapped around a fighter closer to LHW with ease.
The word "bully" in this context places an undeniably negative connotation on the practice and the fighter in question. Personally I would just say "Fighter X cuts a lot of weight" or "is big for the division". Still gets the point across, but without the same inherent stigma.
Imagine if I singled out one of the division's best knockout artists and instead of calling him such I called him a "power-bully". No one's going to think that I'm simply describing his punching power disparity relative to his peers, they're going to assume that I'm calling him some brute who uses his explosiveness as a crutch to catch and KO technically better dudes regardless of whether that's true. Same as if I describe a particularly durable fighter as a "chin bully".
It's dumb IMO.
22 lbs is a lot for the little guys. Percentage wise, he and Topuria are up there with Paulo Costa. Not sure how much bigger they could bevand still make the weight.I understand that, but thought he'd be bigger.
Why else would someone cut 15-20 percent of their body weight for the day of weigh in, and then put it back on the next day for the fight. Because it is healthy? Because it is fun?
Anybody with a red highlight from the original post is, basically, a weight bully.
With ease? It was a split decision, and Neal has also lost to 4 of his last 6 opponents.I have newfound respect for Ian Garry. Homie doesn't cut any weight at all and slapped around a fighter closer to LHW with ease.
Great answer.To gain a legal competitive advantage for a fight because they are professional fighters. The same reason they would do anything else as part of a training camp. Despite your attempt at a strawman, no one is saying that the large weight cuts happen by accident and that the weight just magically falls off of these dudes before ballooning back up. The point of contention is that they shouldn't be stigmatized for doing so in the modern institution of MMA.
Weight-cutting is a shit practice and I wish it was done away with on a large scale, but witch-hunting individual competitors for being better at it is idiotic. As a practice, it comes with legitimate well-known benefits and legitimate, well-known trade-offs. If a fighter is capable of making those trade-offs better than his/her peers and is willing to do so while still consistently making weight on the day of weigh-ins... then they're not a "bully". I see no reason to criticize them any more so than I do to criticize anyone else who leans on some given part of their natural attributes: reach, chin, cardio, power, etc. Hell, I'd argue that a lot of those are actually inherent to a given fighter and don't require a lot of the same discipline, blood, sweat, and tears that a grueling weight cut does to master and doesn't come with the same trade-offs in regards to one's long-term health or training camp management.
You're just being modest. There's no such thing as a tall skinny Sherdogger. We're all 6'4 260, chiseled frame looking like greek gods.Sherdoggers always confuse taller with bigger. Garry is a lanklet. I know one when I see one because I too am a tall skinny bastard.
meeting the weight for one hour days before the fight is the norm now, but it wasn’t what was intended. The weight classes are based on fighting weightYeah and so long as every fighter meets their contractually-obligated weight for the division in question at the time of weigh-ins, then they're kosher. Weight classes are not based on rehydrated cage weight.
"Weight bully" is an idiotic term….
Maybe I'm missing something but surely Marcos Rogerio de Lima isn't cutting to make HW, and isn't cutting an extra 4 lbs at that? I can only guess that his event weight is him fully clothed.. likely shoes and all?
Allowing fighters to compete 30 pounds heavier the next day is also idiotic
A “170” pound fighter stepping into the ring 30 pounds heavier is ridiculous. Nothing wrong with weight cutting but the limit should have been capped a long time ago.
Let them come in 10% over max and fine anybody else that goes over.
meeting the weight for one hour days before the fight is the norm now, but it wasn’t what was intended. The weight classes are based on fighting weight
Great answer.
I think it's embarrassing that some fans take what is basically a meme (e.g. "weight bully") seriously. It shows a real lack of intellect (or maybe just a lack of thoughtfulness).
I, personally, wish that massive weight cuts weren't allowed. But massive weight cutting is systemic. To fix it, it would take a policy change that would cover all fighters. Until then, picking on a small handful of fighters for doing something that is both allowed and systemic is beyond obtuse.
Right. There seem to be 3 groups of people.Absolutely, 100% this. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp for some people, but I guess conflating individual fighters who cut arbitrarily "too much" weight with the systemic issue of weight-cutting in MMA makes things easier on them by giving them a tangible target to take potshots at.
Even now people are continuing to read my posts where I feel I've been pretty consistent in my stance only for them to trot out the same old tired remarks about "Yeah but massive weight cuts are bad for the divisions and the sport!" Yeah, no shit Sherlock. I already said that. But it's a deeply-ingrained part of the sport (unfortunately) at this point in time, so I dunno what lighting a proverbial pyre underneath random Early Prelim fighter Joe McJohnson because he's better at cutting weight than his peers is supposed to accomplish in the meantime.
you like to wax poetic too much... you could make your point with half the words and you wouldn't look less intelligent... "lighting a proverbial pyre" "conflating individual fighters who cut arbitrarily "too much" weight"Absolutely, 100% this. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp for some people, but I guess conflating individual fighters who cut arbitrarily "too much" weight with the systemic issue of weight-cutting in MMA makes things easier on them by giving them a tangible target to take potshots at.
Even now people are continuing to read my posts where I feel I've been pretty consistent in my stance only for them to trot out the same old tired remarks about "Yeah but massive weight cuts are bad for the divisions and the sport!" Yeah, no shit Sherlock. I already said that. But it's a deeply-ingrained part of the sport (unfortunately) at this point in time, so I dunno what lighting a proverbial pyre underneath random Early Prelim fighter Joe McJohnson because he's better at cutting weight than his peers is supposed to accomplish in the meantime.
you like to wax poetic too much... you could make your point with half the words and you wouldn't look less intelligent... "lighting a proverbial pyre" "conflating individual fighters who cut arbitrarily "too much" weight"
Noone is burning anyone at a proverbial pyre... noone is overexagerating fighters weight cuts arbitraraialy... people noticed that some guys are cutting way too much weight and it might be more of a negaitve than a positive.