Francis going southpaw cost him the Joshua fight and lead to the KO. Why did he do it? Francis gifted Joshua the win

Kovalev's Man Bag said:
He was. His legs were under him fully and his head was clear. Go back and actually watch the fight. You're just looking for excuses here. Francis would've been KO'd whether he ever switched southpaw or not. He doesn't even move his head, is highly predictable, and AJ is levels above him in skill with the athleticism to match. Did you see Francis opening his mouth whenever a punch would come in? That's how you get knocked out.
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yup, he should have lost, he just made it easier for AJ.
 
mozfonky said:
should also say, doubt it "costed him the win" he should have lost like that at some point in the fight (but that was true with Fury too) but switching southpaw tells the other guy that he wants to eat a straight right. I've seen guys switch a lot of times over the years, usually with no clear reason, maybe they're bored, maybe they just think it looks cool, whatever. It usually doesn't help, sometimes it seems to work for a moment and usually, the results aren't this disasterous but a guy with limited experience doing something that top guys can't do? Not a good idea.

Look at the greatest fighters to ever fight, most of them, I can't think of a single instance where Leonard, Ali, Robinson Louis switched stances. Some others like Duran was said to do the "fitzimmon's shift" and tyson apparently imitated it but those are still the exceptions. But gosh, don't it look cool? Like I told my buddy's kid who was hanging around some local euros who probably saw their hero doing it, I just told him it's not a good idea.
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It was disastrous it broke Francis confidence
 
Leon Edwards said:
It was disastrous it broke Francis confidence
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i know, without exp that would tend to do that. one thing i notice about the streetfights I see online is that it seems that in 95 percent of the cases where a guy gets an edge or even a knockdown and the other guy doesn't know how to turn the tide, that's not the case in boxing, a guy gets knocked down, we've seen a lot of fighters come back and win from that. I'd think experience is the major factor, same for ngannou, he looked confused and lost in expression.
 
ferrisjso said:
I think Joshua wins anyway and I picked him. But in terms of Francis getting destroyed instantly yes thats probably the reason. A reason that all the people dogpiling on Francis calling him a bum are ignoring. Also him biting on all Joshuas punches when him doing the exact opposite is how he almost beat Fury.

Maybe he was watching Rocky II before the fight and got a little too inspired? But in Rocky II that was a stupid decision too that enabled Apollo to dominate the fight on the cards. Switching stances is generally not a smart decision. But I think it gets romanticized a bit.
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The Fury fight and everyone saying he won got to his head. This was the same Francis that fought Stipe 1, he had that same hyped up energy and kept chasing the knockout.

Maybe if he stayed orthodox he could have lasted a few more rounds, but the way he kept spamming his lead hand it was only a matter of time AJ found that counter right.

We need Humble Francis back, the one that fought Stipe 2 and Fury, not Cocky Francis who thinks hes a god and fights like a moron.
 
mozfonky said:
i know, without exp that would tend to do that. one thing i notice about the streetfights I see online is that it seems that in 95 percent of the cases where a guy gets an edge or even a knockdown and the other guy doesn't know how to turn the tide, that's not the case in boxing, a guy gets knocked down, we've seen a lot of fighters come back and win from that. I'd think experience is the major factor, same for ngannou, he looked confused and lost in expression.
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Ngannou had never been seriously hurt in a fight. It's no surprise that he didn't know what to do. After the second knockdown he just never fully recovered. When he stood back up you could see he still hadn't shaken off the cobwebs. He went back to center ring and froze. That's when AJ ended him. Maybe he didn't even know where he was at that point. Probably still in a daze.
 
Motivated BJ Penn said:
The Fury fight and everyone saying he won got to his head. This was the same Francis that fought Stipe 1, he had that same hyped up energy and kept chasing the knockout.

Maybe if he stayed orthodox he could have lasted a few more rounds, but the way he kept spamming his lead hand it was only a matter of time AJ found that counter right.

We need Humble Francis back, the one that fought Stipe 2 and Fury, not Cocky Francis who thinks hes a god and fights like a moron.
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I'm not sure why people think his choice of stance mattered. Joshua's straight right hand would've consistently landed whether he went southpaw or stayed orthodox. He was dropped in both. Him actually moving his head off the center line would've been much more beneficial. Instead it remained static directly in the line of fire. He was a sitting duck.
 
He didnt "gift" Joshua the win. I expected Ngannou to do a lot better than he did but the levels on display were pretty obvious there. Ngannou just didnt have the skills or reflexes to hit and not get hit vs a guy who punches signficantly harder than anyone hes ever been punched by.

Obviously switching Southpaw was his first fuck up though, and he paid for it. That took the wind out of his sails right off the bat.
 
That is not the reason lol. How is any MMA fighter gonna compete with a specialist?

There is no way Francis can beat Joshua, who has been training ONLY one discipline - boxing - since he was a kid.

Jack of all trades is not gonna beat a master of one
 
Francis believed his hype that's the problem. He got to arrogant for his own good. But you live and learn. A loss is opportunity to learn.
 
Nausicaa said:
That is not the reason lol. How is any MMA fighter gonna compete with a specialist?

There is no way Francis can beat Joshua, who has been training ONLY one discipline - boxing - since he was a kid.

Jack of all trades is not gonna beat a master of one
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Didnt Joshua start boxing in his 20s?
 
Leon Edwards said:
Francis was not doing bad until he switched southpaw as soon as he turned southpaw the right straight was open for Joshua and he dropped Francis with it.

After this Francis was done, he was still rocked and not really able to recover and this lead to the other knockdown and the knockout

Francis going southpaw was the beginning of the end.

Joshua is a good fighter with good power but there is no way Joshua would keep his pace for 10 rounds. Joshua would eventually slow and allow Francis to use his size and durability to wear on Joshua. The fight did not last that long for us to see this.

Francis should have used a high guard and pressure Joshua with his physical presence not try to exchange with him. Joshua biggest flaw is his composure and durability.

Francis should have tried to conserve energy and be defensively responsible in the first rounds before starting to rough Joshua up in the clinch. Francis actually has a good shot at beating Joshua but he blew it by being over confident

Joshua still should have been the favourite but Francis sold himself short by going southpaw. WHY?


Francis robbed the fans by going southpaw.
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A wise guy (me) picked AJ by 1punch KO.

It's cope and excuse. Francis windmills punches. He has been hit
 
Nausicaa said:
He started late but I'm pretty sure it was still well before the 20s. More like 15-16 but I could be wrong on this
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He was 18 when he started boxing. That's late considering many top boxers start out as children. We're talking 8-10 years old and sometimes even younger.
 
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