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Or you know... how easily a known crazy person was able to obtain one...
Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead
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Or you know... how easily a known crazy person was able to obtain one...
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Because people didn't do what they needed to. There was a failure to do what the had the legal right to do.
And they should have had the legal right to do more. Like forced commitment.
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How is a carbine better than a shot gun at close quarters??
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For home defense?
Round capacity, low recoil for follow up shots, round capacity, faster reload, round capacity, more mod'able for ergonomics/function (lights, optics, grips, etc), and last but not least....round capacity.
The best weapon is what you have available, though.
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I don't understand how it took so fucking long to catch up with him. That really does not speak well of our police/detective capabilities as a nation
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Anything that takes more than 7 rounds of 00 buckshot likely won't go down with a carbine
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What do you expect? It's action vs reaction and the dude went and killed himself. Not exactly a trail to follow.
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Conservatives have a wild fantasy life that enables much of the stupidity they enjoy.
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Yeah, I'm not limiting myself to 7 rounds of ANYTHING when there is potential for multiple moving targets and misses. Especially not something tube-fed. You do you, though.
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See a shot gun blast will send most shit bags running. If you piss off Seal Team 6 I can see the need for a m4. I have both so I don't have to decide which one. I'll just duel wield.
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"Seal Team 6", "M4", "Dual wield"?
First off, it's SEAL.
Second off, your belief that a semi-auto rifle/carbine should only be reserved for some high level combat defense tells me all I need to know about you and I should stop responding...but I can't help myself.
Thirdly, civilians don't own "M4s", including you, unless you have an approved NFA stamp.
For the record, I don't own a single weapon, certainly not pistols, certainly not shotguns, not a single bolt gun, and definitely not any semi-auto carbines. I've also never broken the law and have paid every cent of taxes ever owed on my income.
But if I did own firearms, I most certainly would never dual-wield two long guns in home defense.
Again, you do you, though.
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It's not. Ideally you'd have a sub-carbine (MP5), but those are expensive, and highly regulated.
If you're by yourself a handgun (or preferably multiple handguns) is ideal. It's extremely hard to safely disarm someone of a handgun--even if you get a hand on it--not true for a long gun. Handguns also offer the advantage of being able to carry multiple on your person, so if you have a malfunction you are still in the fight.
Shotguns are great against a single target, but are slower to put on multiple targets--and the slower fire rate and size of the weapon make it more likely to be disarmed and have it turned against you.
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Updating this thread with information.
Recently, familes of the victims recent gave testimony to a commission. The commission was established by Democratic Gov. Janet Mills and state Attorney General Aaron Frey to review events leading up to the shootings and make factual findings that can inform policy changes to prevent similar tragedies from happening again. You can read more about the independent commission.
I wonder what facts and recommendations will come out of this process. Is it true the police checked on him, but he refused to open the door and the police had no recourse other than to leave?
Recently, familes of the victims recent gave testimony to a commission. The commission was established by Democratic Gov. Janet Mills and state Attorney General Aaron Frey to review events leading up to the shootings and make factual findings that can inform policy changes to prevent similar tragedies from happening again. You can read more about the independent commission.
I wonder what facts and recommendations will come out of this process. Is it true the police checked on him, but he refused to open the door and the police had no recourse other than to leave?
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Some more information about the weeks before the shooting.
www.pressherald.com
Video shows Lewiston gunman’s paranoid behavior months before mass shooting
In a 15-minute video from July released by New York State Police, Robert Card repeatedly tells officers that people are calling him a pedophile everywhere he goes and warns that he's 'capable' of doing something about it.
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Some more information about the weeks before the shooting.
Video shows Lewiston gunman’s paranoid behavior months before mass shooting
In a 15-minute video from July released by New York State Police, Robert Card repeatedly tells officers that people are calling him a pedophile everywhere he goes and warns that he's 'capable' of doing something about it.
Law enforcement should have seized man's guns weeks before he killed 18 in Maine, report finds
A sheriff's office had cause to take the killer in Maine's worst mass shooting into custody before he killed 18 people, an independent commission has found.
apnews.com
“The commission said it straight out — that they could have done it, should have done it,” said Walker, an Auburn City Council member. “What something like this really does is it brings up everything … It just breaks the heart all over again.”
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A reservist called a superior and said "I think he's gonna snap and do a mass shooting."
Law enforcement should have seized man's guns weeks before he killed 18 in Maine, report finds
A sheriff's office had cause to take the killer in Maine's worst mass shooting into custody before he killed 18 people, an independent commission has found.
“The commission said it straight out — that they could have done it, should have done it,” said Walker, an Auburn City Council member. “What something like this really does is it brings up everything … It just breaks the heart all over again.”
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Someone could have had a gun to defend themselves?
If it was a carry state
That’s the country we live in
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Maine is a carry state?
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How would you interpret the commission's initial report?
Sufficient laws but we need better guidance and enforcement?
Or should the laws need more detail and less room for guidance?
I don't think the answer is across the board more legislation though
Sufficient laws but we need better guidance and enforcement?
Or should the laws need more detail and less room for guidance?
I don't think the answer is across the board more legislation though
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Pretty lax gun laws up here all around. Its a rural state, lots of hunters. Lot of tourism involving hunting, etc.
