Mike tyson shadowboxing (Age 15)

MuayDick said:
Would destroy all your favorite “mixed martial autists” in a matter of seconds


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Takedowns bro, Cain would ruin his life
 
I honestly think Mike would have killed a man with his punching power and those 4oz gloves.
 
MRT said:
even Tyson acknowledges that he would have been out of his element and not beat guys like Royce, unless he trained extensively to develop a ground game.

still, I am not sure many MMA fighters would have relished looking across the cage and seeing a young, hungry Mike Tyson lol - saying Tyson would only have a "pucher's chance" would be doing him a disservice.
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May be a puncher's chance but that's one hell of a punch
 
Cold Front said:
That's you stressing an element which won't make a damn bit of difference in a MMA fight.

Frankly, any mediocre professional boxer who was a so-so wrestler in high school had a better chance of beating Royce in 1993 than Tyson would've had. And even that chance was still mighty slim.

Boxers train to fight other boxers, not guys coming in at their knees. Tyson was the best boxer of his era, but that would've not availed him in a MMA fight. You can talk all you like about how Tyson's quick reflexes would've laid out Royce before he even knew he was in a fight, but Tyson didn't train to knock guys out in the strange positions Royce would've shown the boxer.
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of course I don't disagree with the standard 'boxer vs. MMA fighter' outcome...that is obviously true...in my initial post in this thread, I noted that Tyson himself said he would have lost to Royce. you're responding to a claim that I did not make.

to say that there is *no* difference between a prime Tyson standing there, and old James Toney though? of course there is...both physically and (my point) psychologically.
 
Bill Laimbeer said:
He was a can crusher get over yourself. How technical did he look against Razor? Tyson was supremely gifted athleticly but a mental midget. If he couldn’t bully someone he folded, more skilled or not.
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Sure, my argument isn't that he is anywhere in the top 10 greatest hw's or that his resume is even above average. The man's prime lasted a few years and he was done by his mid 20s due to lack of focus and mental strength. He still was a devastating and technical fighter in his short prime though.
 
froggyluv said:
Been grappling since before most here were a porn shot away from being born and your full of shit. No a 13 yo Blue Belt is NOT a fighter -he's a 13 year old kid who knows some jits. I brought a young (19yo) golden gloves contender out in Colorado to a local, well known MMA school (primarily BJJ) and he lit them the fuck up because they were not used to getting hit like that. Within a year he was their Muay Thai coach. I know what jits can and cant do but your delusional if you think just because you got a minor belt your a major threat. Boxers are combat athletes as well.
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An 05 sherdog joindate is not a certificate of you supposedly grappling for a very long time. You went wrong early on in your post: "A kid who knows some jits". First off don't try to create new buzzwords, secondly I'm talking about real BJJ not some soft ass dojo that doesn't teach students how to defend themselves in real life situations.

Where you really burried yourself is your example(I am almost 99% sure you just made that up but I'll entertain it) of orchestrating an illegal underground fight between minors. Boxers cannot beat (real) grapplers. Boxers are adorable. I find that they have an innocense about them when I see how clueless they are when it comes to grappling, kicks, knees etc. Limitation beyond their comprehension.

So with that, yes a 13 year old skilled BJJ kid would take out Tyson who was just a puncher and an extremely weak grappler even in his own sport. Have you seen what 13 year old Tyson looked like? There's plenty of tough 13 year olds, take Tyson's BJJ equivelant and he will be grapplefucked for sure.

And I made the wrestler too old too earlier. A 12 year old Brock Lesnar slams prime Tyson on his head and puts him in a possible coma.
 
One funny thing is that Holmes didnt wait to punch Berbick... He kicked him straight away...
 
MileHigher said:
U joking?? His height and asthma doesn't negate that he had plenty of God given talent. I see what your saying, but your going way, way overboard. Cus knew he had the tools to be very special. I can post link after link quoting Cus, Atlas, and company gushing about the raw talent and physical specimen Tyson was.
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Cus said after he saw him sparring for the first time : '' That's the future heavyweight champ ''
 
Readybodisready said:
An 05 sherdog joindate is not a certificate of you supposedly grappling for a very long time. You went wrong early on in your post: "A kid who knows some jits". First off don't try to create new buzzwords, secondly I'm talking about real BJJ not some soft ass dojo that doesn't teach students how to defend themselves in real life situations.

Where you really burried yourself is your example(I am almost 99% sure you just made that up but I'll entertain it) of orchestrating an illegal underground fight between minors. Boxers cannot beat (real) grapplers. Boxers are adorable. I find that they have an innocense about them when I see how clueless they are when it comes to grappling, kicks, knees etc. Limitation beyond their comprehension.

So with that, yes a 13 year old skilled BJJ kid would take out Tyson who was just a puncher and an extremely weak grappler even in his own sport. Have you seen what 13 year old Tyson looked like? There's plenty of tough 13 year olds, take Tyson's BJJ equivelant and he will be grapplefucked for sure.

And I made the wrestler too old too earlier. A 12 year old Brock Lesnar slams prime Tyson on his head and puts him in a possible coma.
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Readybodisready said:
An 05 sherdog joindate is not a certificate of you supposedly grappling for a very long time. You went wrong early on in your post: "A kid who knows some jits". First off don't try to create new buzzwords, secondly I'm talking about real BJJ not some soft ass dojo that doesn't teach students how to defend themselves in real life situations.

Where you really burried yourself is your example(I am almost 99% sure you just made that up but I'll entertain it) of orchestrating an illegal underground fight between minors. Boxers cannot beat (real) grapplers. Boxers are adorable. I find that they have an innocense about them when I see how clueless they are when it comes to grappling, kicks, knees etc. Limitation beyond their comprehension.

So with that, yes a 13 year old skilled BJJ kid would take out Tyson who was just a puncher and an extremely weak grappler even in his own sport. Have you seen what 13 year old Tyson looked like? There's plenty of tough 13 year olds, take Tyson's BJJ equivelant and he will be grapplefucked for sure.

And I made the wrestler too old too earlier. A 12 year old Brock Lesnar slams prime Tyson on his head and puts him in a possible coma.
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Take note at 0:55

 
Cold Front said:
It is a fact.

The skill of grappling by itself is far superior to the skill of striking by itself when matched against each other. All other things equal.

That's a fact.

Once the striker knows some grappling, then the question becomes far more interesting and complex. But a striker without grappling is simply out of his element in a MMA contest. You might as well put a gymnast in there.

If you are at MMA forum and don't understand that fact, then review the history of MMA.

Listen dumb ass. Stop presenting your opinions like they are facts. I don't care how many years you've wasted on sherdog.

You can't make blanket statements like "grappling by itself is far superior to striking" Ray Mercer knocked the fuck out of Tim Sylvia. Connor McGregor has virtually no ground game and won two championships. Anderson dominated with a limited MMA grappling skill set.

The words I used were "next-to-useless." And, yes, that's a fact. Boxing by itself in MMA is simply not useful. Again, review the history of MMA if you have any doubt of that.

Got it. Let me just pop in my history of MMA DVD and watch thousands of hours of strictly wrestler vs boxer matches. You're making very broad claims.

Boxing is next to useless? Do you understand how retarded that is? Connor was a boxer. Stipe was an amateur boxer. Countless MMA fighters train with boxing coaches to improve their skillset. GSP, Andre Arlsovki, Rockhold, Tyron Woodley, just off the top of my head, all invested time into training boxing with boxing coaches or at boxing gyms.

Your point is irrelevant. Tyson's fame and renown as a boxer were not going to help him win a single MMA contest. Like I said, it's immaterial.

Only if you didn't have aspergers you would understand I wasn't referring to Tysons celebrity but the quality of his athletic accomplishments compared to gym rats like Ken Shamrock and Dan fucking Severn. These people had no comparable athletic credentials at the time while Tyson was already a historically great champion of a highly competitive sport.

Even Royce didn't have a serious competitive resume.

Who cares?

The experiment has been run and done a thousand times. Boxers can't compete in MMA.

You're like a nerd arguing that because astrology has millennia of history that often led to interesting astronomical insights that it therefore has scientific merit.

The "experiment" has not been run a thousand times. There are not many examples of strictly high level wrestler vs strikers and even the examples we do have the results are never as one sided as you are claiming.

Ray Mercer knocked Tim Sylvia the fuck out. Conor TKOed Mendes. Overeem TKOed Brock.

And you're a pseudo intellectual that jerks off to his own, hardly applicable metaphors on online mma forums.

Severn takes the fight ten out of ten times. Tyson might win the eleventh fight only because Severn was bored.

Maybe he wins the fight because you know, its a fucking fight and anything can happen especially when Tyson has no experience in MMA. But to guarantee the outcome and discount MIKE MOTHER FUCKING TYSONS chances at winning a fight is analytically irresponsible and arrogant. Especially when you consider your obvious hostility towards boxing and fetish for grappling.
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L0ki said:
There was a video camera set up right in front of Tyson while he was hitting the heavy bag.

For the life of me, I have no idea how many times he punched the bag.

Fastest hand speed I've ever seen.
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He is probably top 5 fastest HWs ever. But fastest hand speed you have ever seen? Do you just not watch much boxing?
 
Readybodisready said:
An 05 sherdog joindate is not a certificate of you supposedly grappling for a very long time. You went wrong early on in your post: "A kid who knows some jits". First off don't try to create new buzzwords, secondly I'm talking about real BJJ not some soft ass dojo that doesn't teach students how to defend themselves in real life situations.

Where you really burried yourself is your example(I am almost 99% sure you just made that up but I'll entertain it) of orchestrating an illegal underground fight between minors. Boxers cannot beat (real) grapplers. Boxers are adorable. I find that they have an innocense about them when I see how clueless they are when it comes to grappling, kicks, knees etc. Limitation beyond their comprehension.

So with that, yes a 13 year old skilled BJJ kid would take out Tyson who was just a puncher and an extremely weak grappler even in his own sport. Have you seen what 13 year old Tyson looked like? There's plenty of tough 13 year olds, take Tyson's BJJ equivelant and he will be grapplefucked for sure.

And I made the wrestler too old too earlier. A 12 year old Brock Lesnar slams prime Tyson on his head and puts him in a possible coma.
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While generally boxers would lose to grapplers you are underestimating physical strength and athleticism. I had a blue belt in BJJ at 17 and an amateur boxing record and won 3 amateur MMA fights (without losing) and almost certainly at that time I'd have been killed by a Manny Pacquiao even in MMA. There is a reason guys like Ngannou can win up the roster without being particularly skilled. They'd lose to all the strikers in striking, lose to all the grapplers in grappling but can win in fighting due to natural ability.

In general boxing gyms are way nastier and have way more "real" fighters (people who would fight you in the street), however as far as in an MMA match... the boxer's hope would be slim to none unless they had prior experience grappling/size + strength advantage.
 
jamie foxx said it perfect, you looked at tyson like you looked at a pitbull off it's leash
 
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