I'm not going to waste a lot of time with someone appealing to emotion and white knighting who does not understand the logic fallacy they are putting forth.
Suffice it to say many work place romances and marriages started with way worse than what you point out.
Are you going to be 'offended on behalf of' all those married women who should be calling out their, now, husbands for abuse?
Again it cannot be fine if she likes and is receptive and abuse if she does not.
Came here for this.
I am saying the point is not whether the women welcomed it or not. If that is the standard then men either have to be mind readers or never initiate flirting as they will never find out until they flirt whether it will be well received or not and the standard cannot be 'if she is interested then it was ok to do but if she is not interested then it was wrong to do.'I seriously doubt thats the case with Freeman since those women clearly did not welcome any of that. Or are you suggesting he was having alot of work place romances going on recently and making up an excuse for Freeman.
And for the person who brought up having his ass grabbed at a bar, that's an idiotic excuse. The bar is not a place of work.
I am saying the point is not whether the women welcomed it or not. If that is the standard then men either have to be mind readers or never initiate flirting as they will never find out until they flirt whether it will be well received or not and the standard cannot be 'if she is interested then it was ok to do but if she is not interested then it was wrong to do.'
And don't forget the potus. The title holder gets to grab anything with his hands.You can only get away with sexual behavior if you are handsome. And Morgan Is an old black man with freckles.
Thats does not make sense, because it wasn't flirting at all. He was making overtly sexual comments and he actually got physical. Its common sense not to say overtly sexual remarks at work unless you've established some relationship outside of work. And we can assume that Freeman isn't having a 'relationship' with all those women.
Are you one of those people who were making fun and disparaging the gymnasts in the Larry Nasser thread before?
I don't agree with your classification of it not being flirting. I think that is exactly what he thought he was doing. Whether he had real intent to close on it or was just playing around in his mind is the only question i am not sure of.
I am curious if you do not think it was flirting what do you think it was? A genuine attempt to rape via ripping her skirt up?
I have no idea what you are referring to re Larry Nasser. Not familiar with the thread or topic.
That said my position on this is well known. I believe that sexual interaction is NECESSARILY ugly, and clumsy and often not desired and that needs to be accepted as OK. You cannot say it is only ok when a woman wants it but it is wrong when she does not. However a person crosses a line when they try to assert a position of power over another and there is a real or implied threat. We are seeing this dangerous trend where someone simply saying the action was not wanted or appreciated is tantamount to abuse and that is wrong.
I am saying the point is not whether the women welcomed it or not. If that is the standard then men either have to be mind readers or never initiate flirting as they will never find out until they flirt whether it will be well received or not and the standard cannot be 'if she is interested then it was ok to do but if she is not interested then it was wrong to do.'
somebody may a post yesterday asking which celebrities they thought would be next. I made and extravagant list and debated on morgan freeman for a while, and then I decided nah I don't think he's that guy. Then this....lolhttp://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kno...-accused-of-inappropriate-behavior-by-8-women
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/entertainment/morgan-freeman-accusations/index.html
Multiple women have accused actor Morgan Freeman of harassment and inappropriate behavior, alleging he inappropriately touched them and made suggestive comments about their appearance, CNN reportedThursday.
The news outlet spoke with eight people who say they were harassed on production sets or on promotional tours, and eight others who say they witnessed Freeman's alleged inappropriate behavior.
One woman told CNN that Freeman rubbed her lower back and tried lifting up her skirt while she was working on the movie set for “Going In Style.”
CNN reporter Chloe Melas, who co-authored Thursday’s expose, alleged that Freeman made inappropriate comments to her about her pregnancy when she was covering the release of the film.
Melas said Freeman told her “I wish I was there” while cameras were recording. Melas, said Freeman continued by telling her, "You are ripe." As is typical of press junkets, Melas was the only CNN reporter present at the time.
No one is immune to the Me Too movement. If the star of some of the consensus greatest films of all time like Deep Impact, Chain Reaction, The Sum of All Fears, and Evan Almighty can be accused of wrongdoing, anyone can.
Kind of shocking that you actually believe "sexual interaction" that is "NECESSARILY ugly, and clumsy" and "often not desired" "needs to be accepted as OK" even in the workplace because that is where the controversy lies with Freeman. Not after hours in a bar or someplace private.
You ideal workplace must look like a zoo, with people carrying out "necessarily" crude physical interactions of a sexual nature. But that seems to be ok for you because it still doesn't cross the threshold of an actual rape attempt.
Larry Nassar is the disgraced gymnastics federation coach who got away with molesting girls for a long time, its all over the news.