Russia/Ukraine Megathread V5

[Source]

I see @koquerelle got here first but it sounds pretty terrible.

I'd like to hear the entire clip.

Here is the interview. I have posted it a couple of times hoping a French speaker could add context to the clip. I have searched for a transcript or translation to no avail. Wali brought several different rounds and starts talking about them around the 5:30 mark. That is what leads up to the comment in the clip. What I don’t think is in dispute is that the guy is psycho and enjoys killing people far too much.

 

[Dexter]

Ok so the excerpts are being provided by a Ukrainian journalist but the link you are providing is better evidence then I've found that's likely very true! He actually shows screen shots of the excerpts he's quoting! LOL Did you actually read the article?? The only criticisms he has of Zhuchkovsky is that he underplays the atrocities that the Russian separatists carried out. Thanks you've just convinced me that the Russians were definitely directly involved in Donbass from early on.

You're Russian right? You tell me if the pictured excerpts from that book match up to what he's saying they say. Can I trust you to be honest with me?

EDIT: Don't worry I don't trust you at all. I just found a free Russian to English OCR service (https://www.i2ocr.com/free-online-russian-ocr) very handy and translated all those excerpts and compared them to what the Ukrainian journalist is claiming and they ALL match up word for word. So I unless you are going to convince me he photoshopped all those excerpts then what he's claiming is true. Unless of course Zhuchkovsky is making it all up?

I'm interested to hear your latest excuses for this one.....
Got to love that you provided me with the evidence to sink your own argument!

That's why I provided you with the original article you quoted , which was later translated into English. As I said before - to discuss anything you need to read the whole subject, not just random pages cut without actual context. But of course, I'm lying to you and bringing the false evidences. As it was with Mariupol evacuation and other Russian "propaganda" cases.

 

[hitcher]

Why am I not surprised?

You guys are just conflating bio labs and bio weapons lab. Instead of looking at some twitter, you can use primary sources instead of secondary ones.

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/ky...n-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

once again, please note that there are confirmed bio labs and researches being done in several labs in the Ukraine.

also

https://ua.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/151/Pathogen-Asset-Control-System-Eng-ver3.pdf

 

[Fox by the Sea]

This doesn't make sense as a response. Do you have an issue with this statement?

"I don't dislike Russia. But why would you base your takes on Russian history books?"

 

[aries]

Some Russians are getting out while the getting is good.

Things Will Only Get Worse.' Putin's War Sends Russians Into Exile.

Russians who fled to Turkey at the apartment of a volunteer in Istanbul, March 12, 2022. (The New York Times)

"ISTANBUL — They lined up at ATMs, desperate for cash after Visa and Mastercard suspended operations in Russia, swapping intelligence on where they could still get dollars. At Istanbul cafes, they sat quietly studying Telegram chats or Google Maps on their phones. They organized support groups to help other Russian exiles find housing.

Tens of thousands of Russians have fled to Istanbul since Russia invaded Ukraine last month, outraged about what they see as a criminal war, worried about conscription or the possibility of a closed Russian border, or concerned that their livelihoods are no longer viable back home.

And they are just the tip of the iceberg. Tens of thousands more traveled to countries like Armenia, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan that are better known as sources of migration to Russia. At the land border with Latvia — open only to those with European visas — travelers reported waits lasting hours."

'Things Will Only Get Worse.' Putin's War Sends Russians Into Exile. (yahoo.com)

Apparently as many as 200,000 Russians have left since the start of the war, many of them IT professionals who can work remotely.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/Russia faces brain drain as thousands flee abroad

 

[aries]

That's why I provided you with the original article you quoted , which was later translated into English. As I said before - to discuss anything you need to read the whole subject, not just random pages cut without actual context. But of course, I'm lying to you and bringing the false evidences. As it was with Mariupol evacuation and other Russian "propaganda" cases.

I don't need to read the whole book because the context is quite clear. Russian troops were on the ground in the Donbas region fighting the Ukrainians in August 2014 and if they hadn't of been then the separatists would have lost control of the region. Just give up man, it's over.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I guess Ukraine President Zelenskyy walking through the bomb blasted riddle streets with just a few guys to a hospital made Putin get some bravery and let some guy sit at a small table in front of him instead of the 60 foot monster table. Wow that Putin so brave so strong lol. Oh by the way Putin looks pretty ragged like a man watching his plans go to sh&t.

Damn that guy's nose is bigger than Cyrano's...

 

[TheJewBear]

her response to Mitt

How is Tulsi a "Russian asset" for reporting facts?

 

[Cold187um]

You guys are just conflating bio labs and bio weapons lab. Instead of looking at some twitter, you can use primary sources instead of secondary ones.

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/ky...n-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

once again, please note that there are confirmed bio labs and researches being done in several labs in the Ukraine.

also

https://ua.usembassy.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/151/Pathogen-Asset-Control-System-Eng-ver3.pdf

I think it’s the look/ response of oh fuck on Nulands face that has propelled this further

 

[TheJewBear]

Can you give me one valid link or source that says these "biolabs" have any type of material that could be considered a weapon? Ill wait.

Your wait is over.
https://ua.usembassy.gov/u-s-ukraine-partnership-to-reduce-biological-threats/

 

[bobgeese]

Not gonna lie, I'd pay the exorbitant PPV prices to see Musk vs Putin.


LOl, who am I kidding. I'd just stream it the next morning from some Eastern European website...

 

[San Marino]

Elon Musk challenged Putin to single combat over Ukraine (msn.com)

• Elon Musk issued an absurd challenge to Vladimir Putin over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
• He tweeted that he was challenging Putin to "single combat," adding, "Stakes are Ukraine."

 

[Dexter]

I don't need to read the whole book because the context is quite clear. Russian troops were on the ground in the Donbas region fighting the Ukrainians in August 2014. Just give up man, it's over.

Dude, you like to quote books you didn't read. So, read it again:

"At the beginning of August 2014, President Vladimir Putin held a private meeting in the Kremlin with journalists - it was about 50 people, including those who worked in the Donbass. Putin listened to them carefully. All of them literally in chorus asked Putin to send troops to the Donbass and support the small militia that opposed the entire Ukrainian army."
So, lowly soldier Zhuchkovskiy is not only privy to things no one else knows, but he claims that it was the motivation behind the actual participation of Russian forces. And there are dozens of such "evidences" inside the book <Lmaoo>. After all these hilarious bs how can anyone believe him? Just give up, man, you are the only one who believes in ghosts of Russians in Donbass.

 

[SandisLL]

I had read a bit about biolabs rumor.
Ukraine like Russia had suffered brain leak since 1992th.

Average real salary for real ( not on paper ) A+ level biotech specialist in EU is like this:
at least 3500 USD take home monthly, plus paid very good private insurance and other perks, add to this private pension funds payments and casual ( generous) perks.
However yeah, this level is above average Ph.D from Cambridge.

Now someone might talk that such level research had been done in Ukraine in 2000 ies? LOL.

 

[GhostZ06]

Damned, you beat me to it. Should've scrolled back a bit.

Thank god your using quality souces and defense websites

But seriously, lol paying the chinese to do anything military wise is freakin terrifying

 

[curryjunkie]

I remember seeing this tweet the 2nd day of the war. This is LITERAL Russian Propaganda that got the entire bioweapon thing cranked up. And fringe far alt-right loony's ate it hook line and sinker. These are the same people that joked about "Russian Propaganda" being fake news FOR YEARS.

We have literally came full circle.

 

[blaseblah]

Did you watch the full clip?

 

[PEB]

There is so much BS about this weapon to cause Governments to spend billions more on national an international defense. US already has a counter for over a decade and that rocket is not flying more then 1400 miles at most.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Did you watch the full clip?

don't make his weird
i was just fucking with you

 

[LHWBelt]

Elon Musk challenged Putin to single combat over Ukraine (msn.com)

• Elon Musk issued an absurd challenge to Vladimir Putin over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
• He tweeted that he was challenging Putin to "single combat," adding, "Stakes are Ukraine."

Putins like 70 years old right? Musk is ridiculous lol