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Theft is so bad in San Francisco that Groceries are now Locked Up
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Yeah, but look at the original site... Wallethub? Categories:
| Total Score | Personal & Residential Safety | Financial Safety | Road Safety | Workplace Safety | Emergency Preparedness |
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I'm going to throw in a bonus for those blaming problems on Democratic mayor in big cities. Let's look at who has the most crime in smaller towns where you can't depend on blaming it on a Democrat mayor. (Hint before you click: They are mostly in conservative states):
bestlifeonline.com
This Is the Small Town With the Most Violent Crime in the U.S.
Whether you were born in one and never left or migrated to one for a...
bestlifeonline.com
Did you read the whole post? The second list is only crime rate.
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Prison doesn't seem to work very well at deterring crime, and people tend to come out worse than they went in, and obviously with less employability etc. It's also expensive. However it undeniably prevents inmates from committing crimes against the public (although not against other inmates) while they're there, and satisfies a desire for vengeance. Most criminals just do crime after crime until they die or get too old - the longer they are banged up, the fewer crimes they're able to commit.
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San Francisco is in no way dystopian, that's just hyperbole. I agree that the current state is not good but there is also changing behavior patterns. Less people going to some parts of the city with more telecommuting and such.
It is too much typing to explain the meaning and how it relates to what you said, you'll have to interpret that yourself; I don't see that it is a hard concept. However, let's look deeper into this idea that we can blame Democratice big city mayors for crime. Let's get a few sources and a narrative to look at that in examining rural areas and small towns (sources first):
It's Not Just Cities. Violent Crime in Rural Communities Has Inched Up Too. - RELEVANT
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the so-called "crime wave" facing American cities in the news media right now, the first one being that there
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The narrative that violent crime is an issue exclusively pertaining to large cities is misleading. Reports indicate that rural America has also seen a significant increase in violent crime rates, including a notable 25% spike in homicide rates, which is not far behind the 30% increase observed in urban areas. This challenges the perception of rural areas as idyllic, crime-free zones and underscores the national nature of recent increases in violent crime, influenced more by the pandemic's widespread impact than by geographic or political factors.
Moreover, despite an increase in the national average levels of violent crime in rural areas, the unique needs of law enforcement in these communities often go underdiscussed. Rural law enforcement agencies, which tend to operate with minimal resources, face challenges in accessing the equipment and training necessary for effective crime reduction and public safety. However, these agencies often benefit from strong interpersonal ties within their communities, which can foster trust and collaboration between the police and the public. This relationship is crucial for implementing evidence-based policing practices tailored to the specific needs, crime trends, and resources of small, rural, and tribal agencies.
In summary, while crime rates are generally higher in urban areas, rural areas have also experienced increases in violent crimes, challenging stereotypes about rural safety. Both urban and rural areas face unique challenges in addressing crime, underscoring the importance of tailored approaches to law enforcement and community engagement across different types of communities.
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San Francisco was last controlled by Republicans in 1964. San Francisco has noticeably gone from one of the best cities in the US to one of the worst recently. Despite it being one of the wealthiest areas with tons of jobs and an amazing climate.
People have been leaving San Francisco since 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CASANF0POP
And the people leaving aren't the homeless, drug addicts or criminals. It's likely people with high paying tech jobs. There's going to be an exodus of high earners leading to falling tax revenues:
Leading to shortfalls in their fiscal projections: https://www.sf.gov/sites/default/files/2023-03/March Update FY 23-24 through FY 27-28.pdf
This is crazy, people don't generally leave big cities at that rate, especially ones that have a lot of job opportunities.
Democrats have shifted further left socially in the past 20 years. Not sure why you assume all Democrats are the same. 20 years ago, most democrats thought gay marriage should stay illegal. They have gotten a lot more lax on crime. Prop 47 was when the general theft problem started that was voted on by California voters as a whole (most of which reside in the coastal cities which are heavily democrat). The homeless problem and drug problems have been consistently growing over time and the solutions have only made it worse over time.
The "most dangerous states" includes things like financial safety, road safety, emergency preparedness, climate disasters, etc. Not really a fair metric in terms of comparison.
I agree that many red states have deep blue cities who have voted Democrat for decades/centuries which cause their crime numbers to shoot up. Perhaps if instead of being less tough on crime which they have been shifting towards the past few decades, they instead prioritize locking up violent criminals they could potentially have less crime. But they continue to elect people who allow crime to run rampant and many electing DAs who refuse to prosecute criminals. It's unfortunate but it's a reality of the demographics that continue to loyally vote Democrat no matter what.
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The first step in dealing with a problem is admitting you have one.
The state of San Fran now compared to how it was when I lived there is night and day. It's trended in the wrong direction for the past 20 years and it's directly due to failed democratic policies based on bullshit and virtue.
So that some ignorant asshat can stand at a podium and feel good saying hollow words.
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You marched in the streets and donated billions to BLM, George Floyd and you wanted to defund the police, you voted for Biden and Kamala Harris … sending a clear message that crime is ok … this is what you voted for.
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lol... That site is complete garbage. Utah is the 13th most dangerous state?.... Fuck Off. Try using real crime stats instead of made up bullshit. Utah has one of the lowest crime rates in the US.
And wow at New Mexico... And what the fuck happened to Colorado since I moved in 2005? Not surprised California has the worst robbery in the nation outside of DC.
Data in this table is from the FBI and for the year 2022
| Location | Violent crime | Homicide | Rape | Robbery | Ag. Assault |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| United States | 380.7 | 6.3 | 40.0 | 66.1 | 268.2 |
| District of Columbia | 812.3 | 29.3 | 41.5 | 357.5 | 383.9 |
| New Mexico | 780.5 | 12.0 | 54.6 | 110.6 | 603.3 |
| Alaska | 758.9 | 9.5 | 134.0 | 75.1 | 540.2 |
| Arkansas | 645.3 | 10.2 | 76.0 | 39.7 | 519.4 |
| Louisiana | 628.6 | 16.1 | 43.0 | 67.3 | 502.1 |
| Tennessee | 621.6 | 8.6 | 38.2 | 67.1 | 507.6 |
| California | 499.5 | 5.7 | 37.4 | 123.5 | 332.8 |
| Colorado | 492.5 | 6.4 | 63.4 | 72.6 | 350.1 |
| South Carolina | 491.3 | 11.2 | 38.2 | 40.6 | 401.3 |
| Missouri | 488.0 | 10.1 | 48.9 | 54.8 | 374.2 |
| Michigan | 461.0 | 6.9 | 64.8 | 36.6 | 352.7 |
| Nevada | 454.0 | 6.8 | 58.9 | 86.1 | 302.3 |
| Texas | 431.9 | 6.7 | 50.0 | 70.5 | 304.7 |
| Arizona | 431.5 | 6.8 | 44.1 | 70.1 | 310.5 |
| New York | 429.3 | 4.0 | 29.5 | 112.0 | 283.8 |
| Oklahoma | 419.7 | 6.7 | 57.5 | 40.6 | 314.8 |
| Montana | 417.9 | 4.5 | 54.4 | 23.3 | 335.7 |
| Kansas | 414.6 | 4.6 | 45.5 | 29.2 | 335.4 |
| Alabama | 409.1 | 10.9 | 29.6 | 34.5 | 334.1 |
| North Carolina | 405.1 | 8.1 | 30.5 | 54.9 | 311.6 |
| Maryland | 398.5 | 8.5 | 30.6 | 114.2 | 245.2 |
| Delaware | 383.5 | 4.8 | 22.0 | 57.0 | 299.8 |
| South Dakota | 377.4 | 4.3 | 55.8 | 25.3 | 292.0 |
| Washington | 375.6 | 5.0 | 39.2 | 86.8 | 244.7 |
| Georgia | 367.0 | 8.2 | 36.4 | 43.6 | 278.8 |
| Oregon | 342.4 | 4.5 | 40.6 | 68.6 | 228.7 |
| Massachusetts | 322.0 | 2.1 | 29.1 | 37.7 | 253.1 |
| Indiana | 306.2 | 6.2 | 32.8 | 43.0 | 224.2 |
| Wisconsin | 297.0 | 5.3 | 38.6 | 39.4 | 213.7 |
| Ohio | 293.6 | 6.1 | 48.4 | 53.1 | 185.9 |
| Illinois | 287.3 | 7.8 | 48.1 | 84.7 | 146.7 |
| Iowa | 286.5 | 1.7 | 42.5 | 21.6 | 220.7 |
| Nebraska | 282.8 | 3.2 | 55.3 | 29.1 | 195.2 |
| Minnesota | 280.6 | 3.2 | 40.7 | 57.0 | 179.7 |
| Pennsylvania | 279.9 | 7.9 | 29.5 | 68.1 | 174.5 |
| North Dakota | 279.6 | 3.5 | 56.7 | 27.6 | 191.8 |
| West Virginia | 277.9 | 4.6 | 44.4 | 10.0 | 218.9 |
| Hawaii | 259.6 | 2.1 | 37.9 | 66.1 | 153.5 |
| Florida | 258.9 | 5.0 | 30.2 | 33.6 | 190.1 |
| Mississippi | 245.0 | 7.8 | 33.7 | 25.6 | 178.0 |
| Utah | 241.8 | 2.0 | 59.5 | 29.6 | 150.7 |
| Idaho | 241.4 | 2.7 | 48.7 | 8.2 | 181.7 |
| Virginia | 234.0 | 7.3 | 30.2 | 38.4 | 158.1 |
| Vermont | 221.9 | 3.4 | 36.8 | 13.3 | 168.5 |
| Kentucky | 214.1 | 6.8 | 33.8 | 38.1 | 135.4 |
| New Jersey | 202.9 | 3.1 | 16.8 | 47.6 | 135.4 |
| Wyoming | 201.9 | 2.6 | 62.8 | 7.9 | 128.7 |
| Rhode Island | 172.3 | 1.5 | 38.0 | 24.6 | 108.3 |
| Connecticut | 150.0 | 3.8 | 18.1 | 44.9 | 83.3 |
| New Hampshire | 125.6 | 1.8 | 39.6 | 16.1 | 68.1 |
| Maine | 103.3 | 2.2 | 32.0 | 10.0 | 59.0 |
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You forgot the most important data point. CA doesn't even capture 99% of robberies and theft due to the $950 limit not being a crime and car break ins not even called in because Cops won't investigate.
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I don't care who you want to blame. When police make arrests and criminals are let go, that creates a precedent. Since the BLM riots, and Covid the climate towards prosecution have changed. We have liberal DAs doing the damage more so than the mayors. We never had organized theft and looting like we do now and this is a result of the changes in laws and DAs. Cali is a perfect example as is NYC. Fill a bag and just walk out. No time for the crime. Illegal to detain suspects. Until laws toughen, it will continue. I guarantee if you make a solid law against organized shoplifting events, you will see less of them.It is too much typing to explain the meaning and how it relates to what you said, you'll have to interpret that yourself; I don't see that it is a hard concept. However, let's look deeper into this idea that we can blame Democratice big city mayors for crime. Let's get a few sources and a narrative to look at that in examining rural areas and small towns (sources first):
It's Not Just Cities. Violent Crime in Rural Communities Has Inched Up Too. - RELEVANT
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the so-called "crime wave" facing American cities in the news media right now, the first one being that there
The narrative that violent crime is an issue exclusively pertaining to large cities is misleading. Reports indicate that rural America has also seen a significant increase in violent crime rates, including a notable 25% spike in homicide rates, which is not far behind the 30% increase observed in urban areas. This challenges the perception of rural areas as idyllic, crime-free zones and underscores the national nature of recent increases in violent crime, influenced more by the pandemic's widespread impact than by geographic or political factors.
Moreover, despite an increase in the national average levels of violent crime in rural areas, the unique needs of law enforcement in these communities often go underdiscussed. Rural law enforcement agencies, which tend to operate with minimal resources, face challenges in accessing the equipment and training necessary for effective crime reduction and public safety. However, these agencies often benefit from strong interpersonal ties within their communities, which can foster trust and collaboration between the police and the public. This relationship is crucial for implementing evidence-based policing practices tailored to the specific needs, crime trends, and resources of small, rural, and tribal agencies.
In summary, while crime rates are generally higher in urban areas, rural areas have also experienced increases in violent crimes, challenging stereotypes about rural safety. Both urban and rural areas face unique challenges in addressing crime, underscoring the importance of tailored approaches to law enforcement and community engagement across different types of communities.
OK, let's take a look here:
1) How does the government of SF 60 years ago have anything to do with things now? It was a liberal government way before recent troubles, like almost 60 years, right? So, it didn't change hands from conservatives resulting in a downturn; that is absurd.
2) I see you are one of the many who doesn't understand the tech bit. Those people could never have been in the place they were without making it in CA if you are talking the Silicon Valley people and such who left; the build things up and them go other places where things are with cheaper expenses. And no, those are NOT the people hunting for a job.
3) As far as others leaving, that is only an acceleration of what has happened everywhere in the US over the last 30 years; at one time, the presidents had to convince people in every state to vote for them, not just the swing states because we are so much more geographically divided now (CA chose daddy Bush in 88 election, Texas was electing Democrats at times). Now since there has been a huge acceleration in our division recently, it isn't surprising that a heavily populated place a lot of Trumpers would leave a place like CA. I will also remind you of something about the high cost of living here- that is market driven. It costs more to live here because this is where people WANT to live and have the most opportunities. No one wants to live out in the dirt in Texas where things are cheap. That hasn't changed even with the flood of Trumpers going to find someone that agrees with their looney ideas. It is still crowded here where people actually live in the year 2024.
4) I'm not even going to comment on the absurdity of saying the left has gone radical in the age of MAGA; incredible hypocrisy. Also, like many on the right, your usage demonstrates you know nothing about what socialism actually is.
5) You are hiding from all of the posts which I've made since your first comment, including the one I responded to you with (not addressing my facts in any way). Here are the facts (see my posts in between for proof and citations): (1) Small towns and rural areas (not controlled by Dems), especially in conservative states, have had big jumps in crime along with big cities. (2) conservative states (including the whole state) have as much or more crime. (3) with an overall increase in crime in other areas Democrats don't control, there isn't much room to blame Democrats; it's a larger trend.
Again, I get that no matter the number of facts, it feels too good to abandon blaming those you don't like, but you really don't make a lot of sense.
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From Wallet hub? I have to go back and see what it looks like but wallethub is a financial group.
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i dont live in the US my highly erudite, intelligent friend. I also possess something called a passport and see it in many countries at this point
But yeah its biden, Kamalla, black people, george floyds fault
Hell if we blaming individuals-
the actual tax evading, raping felon with 91 federal charges 20 sexual assault charges against them while rocking orange makeup
lent a hand too.
Crime pays
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I randomly googled a few from this list, so far all black men as the mayor.I'm going to throw in a bonus for those blaming problems on Democratic mayor in big cities. Let's look at who has the most crime in smaller towns where you can't depend on blaming it on a Democrat mayor. (Hint before you click: They are mostly in conservative states):
This Is the Small Town With the Most Violent Crime in the U.S.
Whether you were born in one and never left or migrated to one for a...
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1) Did you ignore Prop 47? California has continued regressing from where it was due to leftists voting in stupid leftist policies like Prop 47. And democrats of the past were less socially left than they are today. Again explain why the same democrat party went from not supporting gay marriage 20 years ago to where they are today.
2) That has been the case for the past few decades. Why are people suddenly leaving now at a such rapid pace?
3) Why don't you take a look at net migration between states and see where people are moving to and from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration
Most are moving to red states from blue states, with New York, California, Illinois and Hawaii (all democrat strongholds) being on the bottom in terms of net domestic migration rates. This is despite the fact that places like California and Hawaii are geographically
some of the most desirable places to live in America.
4) Releasing people who have 50+ criminal convictions on the streets to murder, rape and brutally assault people is completely radical. It isn't done in other countries. It wasn't done for a long time in our country either.
5) I'm not avoiding anything.
2020:
Violent crime in Urban residences: 21.1
Violent crime in Suburban residences: 22.3
Violent crime in Rural residences: 16.3
2022:
Violent crime in Urban residences: 33.4
Violent crime in Suburban residences: 23.9
Violent crime in Rural residences: 15.4
One of these number increases are not like the others. I'll let you decipher which one that is.
And I don't understand why you are going to a state level. States don't dictate the mayors, the DAs/prosecutors or judges. These are all determined at a city/district level and these positions are the ones responsible for not locking repeating criminals up. So comparing at a city level is a much better comparison than states. But for some reason I don't think you want to do that.
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You are only angry because you know it’s true. Americans bent the knee and capitulated to the criminals. They made their bed, now they get to lie in it.
I hope Biden wins again, they still haven’t learned their lesson.
