Trump to NATO: "Germany is totally controlled by Russia"

Brexit?
obviously, I omitted them for that reason. They have arguably the 3rd best military in the world behind us and Israel, and then Australia at 4th

Wtf

No mention of Russia and Israel number 2?

Fighting defenceless Palestinians and nations in the midst of a civil war is one thing. Fighting established powers is quite another.
 
is Donald Trump the most famous person in the entire world, serious question? I'm thinking him or the Rock

like is there a single person in any industrialized nation that doesn't know who he is?

which is crazy, b/c I imagine Trudeau is pretty popular on the world stage as well, yet I almost guarantee a good 40% at least of Americans don't know who that is
Obama is still probably more famous. But by the end of this term it will probably be Trump.
 
Damn.

He's starting trade wars and attempting to divide all these countries against each other while inching towards dissolving NATO.
 
Jackson, maybe. Jordan, probably not. Don't know how popular those guys would be in Asia, East Europe, Middle East or Africa.

Michael Jackson maybe??? LOL. You have no idea how popular he was in his prime apparently. Used to live in France and even my parents knew who MJ was. My parents are old school Asian racists and they thought MJ was awesome and special. They didn't think he was black from the way they talked about it (soooo racist..).
 
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Michael Jackson was damn famous in his prime, people literally fainted at the sight of him (only him and the Pope do that IRL, this isn't a sitcom)

i just meant like right now 2018, everyone knows who Trump is right? i mean he was mad famous before, but now, good lawd. The infamy
 
Michael Jackson maybe??? LOL. You have no idea how popular he was in his prime apparently. Used to live in France and even my parents knew who MJ was. My parents are old school Asian racists and they thought MJ was awesome and special. They didn't think he was black from the way they talked about it (soooo racist..).

He was popular in the West, but I don't really know if he was that popular outside of it.

I would imagine that Trump is much more well-known in places like East Europe, Middle East and Asia.
 
He was popular in the West, but I don't really know if he was that popular outside of it.

I would imagine that Trump is much more well-known in places like East Europe, Middle East and Asia.

How old are you???
 
How old are you???

I just think you're under-estimating how far-reaching Trump's popularity truly is.

Jackson may have been the most popular entertainer/musician of all time, arguably, but he never had any political clout and thus, what he did never mattered to the people who didn't consume such entertainment.

The difference with Trump is that he's not only popular in the realm of entertainment, he also has real-world power which means that the people who wouldn't otherwise give a crap about what is "pop" and "trendy" at the time, will definitely know who Trump is. He doesn't really allow people to be indifferent about him, as the president of the United States.

I'm old enough to have been alive when Michael Jackson was still popular, and I must admit that nobody within my circle really gave a crap about him, outside of seeing him as another American freak show, not too separable from the rest of them.

The age of the internet and social media also enable Trump's fame to spread even further.
 
I just think you're under-estimating how far-reaching Trump's popularity truly is.

Jackson may have been the most popular entertainer/musician of all time, arguably, but he never had any political clout and thus, what he did never mattered to the people who didn't consume such entertainment.

The difference with Trump is that he's not only popular in the realm of entertainment, he also has real-world power which means that the people who wouldn't otherwise give a crap about what is "pop" and "trendy" at the time, will definitely know who Trump is. He doesn't really allow people to be indifferent about him, as the president of the United States.

I'm old enough to have been alive when Michael Jackson was still popular, and I must admit that nobody within my circle really gave a crap about him, outside of seeing him as another American freak show, not too separable from the rest of them.

Late 20s if not early 30s at most then.

Just because you and your circle of people (or anyone for that matter) didn't care about MJ doesn't mean you didn't know who he was or how popular he was. Everyone knew who MJ was back in the 80's and 90's. And after his 2nd acquittal he left the States and become more of a global star than a US star. He was beloved in the Middle East and Asia.

Michael Jackson's funeral was estimated to be around 2.5 billion viewers. These numbers are being disputed but the fact that they're even remotely close to this number shows how popular he was even after he was way past his prime.

Princess Diana is probably just as well known if not as popular due to her untimely death.
 
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Late 20s if not early 30s at most then.

Just because you and your circle of people (or anyone for that matter) didn't care about MJ doesn't mean you didn't know who he was or how popular he was. Everyone knew who MJ was back in the 80's and 90's. And after his 2nd acquittal he left the States and become more of a global star than a US star. He was beloved in the Middle East and Asia.

Michael Jackson's funeral was estimated to be around 2.5 billion viewers. These numbers are being disputed but the fact that they're even remotely close to this number shows how popular he was even after he was way past his prime.

Princess Diana is probably just as well known if not as popular due to her untimely death.

Let's just put it this way.

If Trump died now, which would be the bigger event?

It would have legitimate, real-world ramifications. A nation did not have to change their foreign policy based on the actions of Diana or Michael Jackson. They do have to be legitimately concerned about what Trump says or does.

That's why I'd rather compare Trump to someone like Muhammad Ali, who actually did serve as the foundation of a revolutionary spirit, in many ways, and was most definitely a catalyst for a cultural change, at the time. His fame is at such a level where you cannot afford to ignore him.

I could afford to ignore Michael Jackson, or Princess Diana, or whoever, but I cannot ignore Trump. It's simply not possible.
 
Let's just put it this way.

If Trump died now, which would be the bigger event?

It would have legitimate, real-world ramifications. A nation did not have to change their foreign policy based on the actions of Diana or Michael Jackson. They do have to be legitimately concerned about what Trump says or does.

That's why I'd rather compare Trump to someone like Muhammad Ali, who actually did serve as the foundation of a revolutionary spirit, in many ways, and was most definitely a catalyst for a cultural change, at the time. His fame is at such a level where you cannot afford to ignore him.

I could afford to ignore Michael Jackson, or Princess Diana, or whoever, but I cannot ignore Trump. It's simply not possible.

I'd be a bigger event not just because he's Trump but also because it'd be the untimely death of the President of the United States.

LOL at Trump being a bigger catalyst of change. You have no idea what MJ has done for minorities (mostly black people). Prior to Michael Jackson, MTV did not show any music videos made by black people. We're talking 80's era. They actually didn't want to air Billie Jean but President of CBS Records threaten to yank all of his music videos from MTV's playlist and publicly denounce them in the media. MTV relented and started airing Billie Jean. It was so popular and in demand that they aired it heavily, then he made Thriller video and become a worldwide superstar. The man only destroyed barriers and forged racial equality for black/minority musicians but yeah Trump is doing more and blah blah blah.. lol.
 
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Oooh, charts!!

This is a good opportunity to enlighten (or remind) so many of the catastrophic economic failure inevitable to Communism/Socialism:
The Soviet Economy – Charting Failure

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What is God's name are you responding to? Did you think I was attacking Russia's economic policy and saying it should revert to Soviet era policy? Is your impulsive defense of Russia just based on its new status as the great white hope among alt-right folks?

Also a good time to remind everyone that you are (i) too daft to hold any intelligible understanding of what the terms "socialism" and "communism" entail outside of spurious and purely political Cold War designations, (ii) too shameless to hold yourself as a moderator to the standards of thread topic relevance expected of even the forum's dumbest contributors, and (iii) have so little wherewithal that you rag on Trump supporters while posting erroneous graphs prepared by an open Russian neo-Nazi with a poly sci Bachelor's degree, whose chief public role is trying to powder Vlad Putin's political image, despite Putin being every bit as incompetent a leader as Stalin or Gorbachev, on the basis that Putin hasn't allowed Russia to be overcome by pesky brown people.
Anatoly Karlin is a Russian alt-right, white nationalist, anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist blogger who promotes racialist pseudoscience. He writes for UNZ Review and has his works reprinted by Russia Insider with his permission.

Despite having political views typical of neo-Nazis and white nationalists and even speaking alongside Richard Spenceron a podium — Karlin is a crypto-Nazi, who describes himself as a non-racist "liberal race realist".[3]

As always, Mick, spectacularly done.


However, if we communists are to yield to the false reality of Cold War tankies (shameless supporters of the USSR) and yankees, and shoulder the reputation of the USSR's brutal brand of state capitalism, there are other, more accurate depictions of GDP and more accurate metrics than GDP to tell the story of the Soviets' foray into state capitalism.

Here is a fairly comprehensive, and I think fair, right-wing blog post done on the subject of GDP in Soviet Russia, although the author is late to concede the unscientific tint of measuring GDP in a state capitalist country.
https://nintil.com/2016/03/26/the-soviet-union-gdp-growth/

Really, though, I don't think that either provide any better information that is provided by Wikipedia on the Soviet economy.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union





But -- again -- why am I being presumed to shill for a side that I didn't support, for whose policies I do not advocate, and that lost its existential battle 30 years ago? Because I was bold enough to state the (objective fact that) Germany has a stronger economy than Russia?
 
is Donald Trump the most famous person in the entire world, serious question? I'm thinking him or the Rock

like is there a single person in any industrialized nation that doesn't know who he is?

which is crazy, b/c I imagine Trudeau is pretty popular on the world stage as well, yet I almost guarantee a good 40% at least of Americans don't know who that is

I think at most any moment that the sitting POTUS is the most famous person in the world. But I would agree that Obama, and especially Trump, have taken it to new levels. Mostly because Trump is constantly in the news and regularly grabs the attention of international citizens by making some erroneous and moronic claim about their country, threatening the functionality of the world economy on a stupid whim, or mistaking one of their political parties for ISIS.
 
I think at most any moment that the sitting POTUS is the most famous person in the world. But I would agree that Obama, and especially Trump, have taken it to new levels. Mostly because Trump is constantly in the news and regularly grabs the attention of international citizens by making some erroneous and moronic claim about their country, threatening the functionality of the world economy on a stupid whim, or mistaking one of their political parties for ISIS.
that and the 24 hour media cycle, SM, the internet, etc...

but since he gets so much negative press it's gotta be him. Otherwise i'm not sure the US President is necessarily more recognizable than say the biggest movie star, or the best soccer player or something. They all gotta be up there. Oddly enough i bet pro wrestlers to a degree too (like prime Hulk Hogan, maybe the Undertaker). I was amazed at how many random Afghanis that could barely speak any English knew two things: how to ask for a cigarette, and they knew John Cena and the Undertaker for some reason haha
 
he has a pt about Germany not meeting their NATO requirements, and others following suit

nobody finds it odd that only countries EAST of Germany (aka closer to Russia and Turkey) actually meet that threshold?
Why in the world would anyone find it "odd"? Yes, countries who share borders with adversarial states (and calling Greece/Turkey "adversarial" is a MAJOR understatement) have a tendency to up their military spending. So...?
 
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