News Metabolite found in Jon Jones’ UFC 232 VADA test results

baba2008 said:
The reason other fighters don't pop again for the same drug is because they stop taking it. Jones popped again because he didn't stop taking Turinabol. Wait, what?
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Yeah that's exactly what I would expect to be the case lol. I'm just looking to see if theres any other possibilities or if I can just continue to be a hater
 
TheNinja said:
If they can’t tell then it should be illegal. Or at least a level playing field. If Bones is allowed to compete with 33 picograms why can’t Gustafsson be able to compete with 49 picograms? 100 picograms ? 1000? Where’s the limit ? At what point do we decide it’s enough to help your performance?
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It's whatever shills like kflo and threetrees decide.
 
From Jon "Rat" Jones to Jon "Pulse" Jones in less than a year.
 
Ballsagne said:
Yeah that's exactly what I would expect to be the case lol. I'm just looking to see if theres any other possibilities or if I can just continue to be a hater
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Its Jon Jones. You can forgive him for everything he's ever done wrong and he'll give you another reason to hate him soon enough - that's a certainty. He's a fuckup that just happens to be an incredible fighter.
 
It's really too bad it has all come down to this for Jones. I knew immediately after seeing this kid fight he had the physique, technique and IQ to become a dominant champ and possibly the best MMA fighter the sport has ever seen.....and now his entire legacy is a joke with a massive fucking asterisk beside it. Embarrassing for the sport!
 
JC Komo said:
It's whatever shills like kflo and threetrees decide.
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Lol. Yeah, lets act like usada, smrtl and everyone involved are just shills. Such an easy cop out.
 
So Jones found a loophole to continue PED use? Real shocker from the UFC and USADA working together. I can't even take this shit seriously anymore. I used to buy their PPV's but never again. I watch because I love MMA, but UFC won't line their pockets with my money if this is how they're going to run shit.
 
Why is jones the only fighter to have pulsing levels ever? Like afaik no other fighter has had 7/10 tests positive at fluctuating picograms? Thats what i wanna know.
And why did tom lawlor (i think) get ban sticked for 13 picos if that level has no performance effects?
I dont want to see dana cash gifs(thats clearly why,but). I want real answers.
 
ShadowRun said:
They said it will show off and on test for awhile... not sure what's the discussion about. If he test for something else or anything that isn't that small amount I'm game to see him gone.
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Do you have a link to that by any chance? Getting actual info from the necessary sources its harder than it sounds.
 
I'm trying to think if I have ever been less surprised by a piece of information in my life.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything.
 
What is validity of pico-nano licence ?
 
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I dont even have anything to say at this point
this whole thing is a travesty, whats even the point of testing now?
 
chick magnet punk said:
Steroid metabolites have been found in Jon Jones’ system again.

Jones, the UFC light heavyweight champion, was drug tested in competition by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) in relation to his UFC 232 fight last month with Alexander Gustafsson. The results, which came back this week, showed that the long-term oral Turinabol metabolite that has plagued Jones for more than a year was present, according to information obtained by MMA Fighting from the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC).

Jones had 33 picograms of 4-chloro-18-nor-17β-hydroxymethyl,17α-methyl-5α-androst-13-en-3α-ol (M3) (or DHMCT) in his system, per the commission. The urine sample was collected from him on the day of weigh-ins, Dec. 28. Jones defeated Alexander Gustafsson by third-round TKO in the main event of UFC 232 in Inglewood, Calif., a day later to regain the UFC light heavyweight belt.

CSAC will not take disciplinary action against Jones, executive officer Andy Foster said. This is the same, long-term M3 metabolite that Jones was suspended 15 months for stemming from a July 2017 sample collection in relation to UFC 214, Foster said. Foster said subsequent drug tests on Jones done by VADA, UFC partner USADA, and the commission have come back clean since the in-competition abnormal reading.

Foster said he checked again this week with Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL) lab director Dr. Daniel Eichner and Eichner stood by his previous statement that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits.

“I spoke with the scientists,” Foster said. “They stand by their original statement. Nothing has changed. We’ve already punished Jon Jones for the M3 metabolite, which is a long-term metabolite. There’s no grounds to charge somebody twice for the same violation.”

This is the very same metabolite that came up in Jones’ drug-test results multiple times between August 2018 and December 2018, the last of which coming on Dec. 9, which led to the Nevada Athletic Commission (NAC) not wanting to license Jones to fight at UFC 232 without a proper hearing.

With Nevada unable to bring him before the commission until this month, the UFC moved the entire UFC 232 card, originally scheduled for Las Vegas, to Southern California. Foster, who had dealt with Jones’ UFC 214 situation, already had an understanding of the case and he trusted the word of Eichner and other experts that there was no evidence that Jones had taken any new prohibited substances. SMRTL is the lab that analyzed all of the Jones tests that have turned up the metabolite.

The published science on oral Turinabol states that the M3 metabolite of oral Turinabol can be detected in someone’s system for 40 to 50 days, though no new peer-reviewed studies have been done since 2011, because Turinabol is an illegal drug. This in-competition sample Dec. 28 was collected about 17 months after Jones initially tested positive for the metabolite. Per USADA and the UFC, the science in these cases is evolving and the amount found in Jones’ system is ultra trace down to the picogram level.

UFC vice president of athlete health and performance Jeff Novitzky told MMA Fighting that he’s not at all surprised that the M3 metabolite is still in Jones’ system and “pulsing” or showing up at different times. Novitzky said experts have theorized that the metabolite pops up in drug tests when Jones is cutting weight or doing heavy exercise, which could explain the weigh-in day abnormal reading. Like CSAC, USADA will not be taking any action against Jones for this instance, Novitzky said.

“Science-wise, it does make some sense,” Novitzky said. “Once again, there was no parent compound and none of the short- or medium-term metabolites, which tend to stick around for three or weeks. So this is even more indicative that for whatever reason this long-term metabolite is just hanging around in these tissues and they get expressed when you’re going through weight loss.”

Novitzky said USADA has found another UFC fighter, whom he would not name, who is going through a similar “pulsing” situation with the M3 metabolite. He had mentioned fighter Grant Dawson previously as someone who had that metabolite in his system and a similar circumstance. USADA ultimately cleared Dawson.

Novitzky assured that USADA is not giving Jones a proverbial get-out-of-jail-free card every time this steroid metabolite pops up in his system.

“I don’t think it’s a blanket statement that every time that metabolite shows up that it’s automatically considered no re-administration,” he said “They’re looking at a lot of different factors each time it does show up. They’re looking at biological passport information to determine, are any of these other levels suspicious or raising or dropping. They’re looking to see if they can detect any of the shorter or medium term metabolites. It’s not accurate to say that every time this expresses itself in Jon it’s an automatic free pass. They look at it in detail every time it shows up to make sure that everything is consistent with no re-administration and no performance-enhancing benefit.”

Jones, 31, all along has denied knowingly taking any banned substances. He was suspended 15 months in his USADA case stemming from the UFC 214 positive test. Jones was facing a four-year ban as a repeat offender, but that was reduced to 18 months when Jones provided “substantial assistance,” or cooperation in an undisclosed, separate case. The suspension was reduced again to 15 months when arbitrator Richard McLaren determined that Jones did not likely ingest a prohibited substance intentionally.

The first time Jones, regarded as one of the best MMA fighters of all time, tested positive under USADA was in 2016, for the anti-estrogen agents clomiphene and Letrozol. He was suspended one year after arbitration in that case.

The fight against Gustafsson was Jones’ first bout since his win over Daniel Cormier was overturned at UFC 214 due to the positive drug test. Jones is now scheduled to defend his title against Anthony Smith in the main event of UFC 235 on March 2 in Las Vegas.

That booking is contingent on Jones being licensed by the NAC. Jones is scheduled to go before the commission in a hearing next Tuesday.

Source: https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/1/...-found-in-jon-jones-ufc-232-vada-test-results

Looks like he will keep his belt.
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It's almost like Jones testing positive for steroids is the new normal.
 
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