Adapting TKD to MMA

[CowboyPete]

Get off my nuts already. I do not like Tae Kwon Do and you aren't swaying me to do so.

I for one am not trying to get you to like TKD. If no one calls you on your bullshit, though, some other dumb dumbs might believe it. Plus it's fun.

 

[US Tomato Can]

I don't hate or love TKD. I am just putting out what I know of TKD, who has trained them and how effective they have been against their opponents.

 

[Ninja Realist]

Yet we were not talking about the stance, we were talking about footwork.

And any standup footwork, whether boxing, Muay Thai or TKD, has to be modified for MMA rules, because they are simply different rules, like you say, and you have to take other things into consideration.

I simply disagree that you ALWAYS have to be planted in an MMA match. If you have Coleman in front of you getting ready to shoot, yeah, it helps. But if Mr. Coleman goes for a high kick and misses, at that particular moment, he cannot shoot, so you don't have to stay planted. In that particular moment, you can sacrifice some stability for speed so you can capitalise on his mistake.

That's what I was talking about. There is a time for everything.

That's very true.

I guess I have a different opinion. That's cool. If everyone had the same opinion about how a fight should be fought, they would be very boring indeed. I actually think footwork is possibly the important aspect of the standup game. How you move your feet is more important than how you throw your hands and I have very strong and unorthodox opinions about it. Iactually have a pretty strong background in fencing and as a prospective mixed martial artist, I'm intersted in the ways that fencing footwork could be applied to MMA.

Maybe the reason I neglect TKD footwork is because I have very little knowledge of it besides what I've read, and reading, frankly, does very little to teach you about how an art actually works. That being said, from what I have read, TKD footwork seems dangerous in a sport that has more to do with grappling than striking. That's a fact that many strikers, indeed many MMA Fans would like to ignore. The grappling influences the striking and not the other wat around, and for that reason, I think stability, not speed, is key. (Sorry if I'm sounding pedantic or patronizing.) Other people would disagree. Other people would say the best way to avoid a takedown is to dodge it. But it's very hard to strike well moving backwards, very few people can strike as well moving backwards as forwards. Besides which the consequences for being taken down when you are dodging are far worse than being taken down when you are prepared and clinched up. Because being taken down when you are clinched, it's much easier to get your opponent in your guard than when you are taken down by surprise.

 

[krnguy03]

Once again you are simply making blind accusations of exactly who I am. The only thing that you are aware of is that I post under the name Kyun and have a forum ranking of white belt. If 15 year old kids can go to LSA Anaconda, Iraq and conduct pre-inspection of civilian non-tactical vehicles entering the main entrance or escort hundreds of local nationals on a daily basis then yes my friend
...I am a 15 year old kid.

This same 15 year old kid fought at Incheon indoor stadium November 05 against a fighter from Moobi Gym (K-1 fighter's Su Hwan Lee gym)



Pyongtaek City if you wanted to the exact location. I simply said gate because it's easier then saying 4000m wide 241km long demilitarized zone. Why don't you just share more descriptive details that noone gives a shit about. The Joint Security Area is located at 37

 

[krnguy03]

Well you took the time to respond so obviously it caught your attention. It was thrown in there because he was trying to dissect my knowledge of the Korean language. Jesus christ some of you bastards really don't know when to quit. Your panties get all bundled up when someone speaks their opinion which generally is allowed in most forums unless Sherdog is different.

It wasnt really that hard to "dissect" your knowledge of the korean language... you probably couldnt even read what you copy and pasted off babelfish online translator... its not hard to dissect your knowledge of anything... you kinda screw yourself over everytime you make a response... you sleeping with drinky girls doesnt mean a whole lot about your manhood..

Where the hell did you derive that idea from? Cowboypete, from reading your posts you just like to stir up shit or try and analyze people's posts, but you suck at it. You probably have no reason to be posting in the stand up technique forum either and until you can show me your credentials as a fighter or give me relevant information pertaining to the actual thread topic I suggest you do us all a favor and stop submitting replies to develop your post count.

for someone who talks shit about peoples post counts your average is 18.57 per day... im surprised you have any time to train if you even train at all... and you havent even shown your credentials as a fighter... you just made vague references of fights youve heard about... once again its okay...

 

[Kyun]

wow just wow.. or ignorance and your arrogance knows no bounds... your such a bad ass... i wish i could be like you... pUhHHahhahaHhAha... okay lets get a few facts straight... i never touched an m16a2 but nice try.. we dont use those anymore..

2. i maxed out the asvab and i chose infantry you know because in the civilian world blackwater pays like $200,000 a year but im sure you make more money fighting in the big shows all the time..

3. that thing you said about korean girls, they were probably philipino and drinky girls dont count because you have to pay but you already knew that.. but its okay im sure you have a tons of money fighting and training with all those big names who you looked up on the internet..

4. i never said i am training in TKD i was just point out the face that your arrogance exceeded your big head..

5. Oh and staying on the FOB or LSA Anaconda like you called it just means youre a fobbit and a pussy... which is worse than a P.O.G...

6. Oh and the JSA does not lie in a village you idiot... The Pan Mun Jom is the JSA... i work thier everyday.. the closest village near the JSA is Tae Song Dong... and the closest town from CP bonifas is Munsan... But since you looked up those "facts" on wikipedia you must be right.....

7. What weight class are you? since your so badass send me a message with all your info since youre coming up within the next week..

8. I never mentioned you being a "white belt" on sherdog.. but i guess thats very important for you... since you keep mentioning in every single one of your responses to me...

9. I dont mention my training and spew out names because i know who i trained with and i dont need to brag.. you only brag because you want people to believe you are a badass.. which you obviously arent you havent named a single fighter that youve fought.... and you havent given your name... its okay though.. your mom still thinks your special..

wow just wow.. or ignorance and your arrogance knows no bounds... your such a bad ass... i wish i could be like you... pUhHHahhahaHhAha... okay lets get a few facts straight... i never touched an m16a2 but nice try.. we dont use those anymore



2. i maxed out the asvab and i chose infantry you know because in the civilian world blackwater pays like $200,000 a year but im sure you make more money fighting in the big shows all the time..

3. that thing you said about korean girls, they were probably philipino and drinky girls dont count because you have to pay but you already knew that.. but its okay im sure you have a tons of money fighting and training with all those big names who you looked up on the internet..

4. i never said i am training in TKD i was just point out the face that your arrogance exceeded your big head..

5. Oh and staying on the FOB or LSA Anaconda like you called it just means youre a fobbit and a pussy... which is worse than a P.O.G...

6. Oh and the JSA does not lie in a village you idiot... The Pan Mun Jom is the JSA... i work thier everyday.. the closest village near the JSA is Tae Song Dong... and the closest town from CP bonifas is Munsan... But since you looked up those "facts" on wikipedia you must be right.....

7. What weight class are you? since your so badass send me a message with all your info since youre coming up within the next week..

8. I never mentioned you being a "white belt" on sherdog.. but i guess thats very important for you... since you keep mentioning in every single one of your responses to me...

9. I dont mention my training and spew out names because i know who i trained with and i dont need to brag.. you only brag because you want people to believe you are a badass.. which you obviously arent you havent named a single fighter that youve fought.... and you havent given your name... its okay though.. your mom still thinks your special..

1. It was an example and noone here cares about your grunt ass anyway. Once again go clean a weapon or something. I'm not infantry and I do not care what weapons you are qualified on that you will probably never ever get to actually use beyond shooting card board targets.

2. Well if you maxed out the asvab you wouldn't have joined the Army as infantry. I am inclined to say you probably had issues spelling your name correctly. Also if you actually wanted to join the civilian world as a Blackwater Contractor, you should have gone the route of special forces.

3. Once again you are wrong. You're getting your own life twisted with my own. Kind of sad that "you" being Korean has to resort to filipino juicy girls, but sorry bro that just isn't me.
If you think an online translator can manage to type this out, you're fucking delusional. From my girl to you: 당신은 이사람에 대해서 아무것도 모르면서 말 함부로 하네.
이사람은 한국에 1년 머물면서 무에타이 인천 에서 그리고 서울에서 시합경기 한 경험이 있고,그리고 당신! 사람들하고 애기 하는법 먼저 배워라. 당신 같이 무식하게 애기 하는 사람 첨 봤네.그리고 싸가지 졸라 없네 씨발~

4. Well you failed horribly because I was simply stating my opinion of TKD and my experiences of taking it and being around it in it's own country, Korea. It's an opinion, save it, take a picture or something.

5. Have you ever even been to Iraq? Because if you haven't then you don't have much to speak up on. It doesn't matter where you are, it isn't exactly a pleasant experience. Remember I'm not infantry so I wouldn't be out there looking to get blown up by an IED.

6. Okay, so no I do not know about the DMZ because like I stated earlier I am not in the infantry, let alone the Army. So why would I spend time at the DMZ?

7. Welterweight, Class: professional, valid dates 19-07-31, organization: J-Network http://www.kickboxing.co.jp/J-NEW/J-NET/J-NET_Frameset.html

I will be in Korea for about two weeks and the majority of the time will be in Seoul.

8. Actually me being a white belt on this website has nothing to do with anything. The fact that a lot of these idiots with thousands of posts to their name think they actually know anything baffles me. Some guy with almost a thousand posts couldn't even spell muay thai correctly and calls himself an MMA fan.

9. You don't mention who you train with or that you actually train because you probably don't like the rest of the people here. You are merely a critic, a spectator, a fan, but like one said before...this is a MMA fan website so it's expected to be filled with ex WWE infant retards. Why would I disclose my name to the rest of this website. And the individuals I fought in Korea are not going to show up on google idiot. If you need some clarification and can manage to get a hold of Jacob Mapes, (student of Sifu Vern Miller a Choy Lay Fut/Tai Chi instructor who learned to fight from Doc Fai Wong,) of Twin Tiger's Gym, repeatedly spanked Muay Thai fighters from Maurice Smith's kicboxing gym. He was one of my original sparring partners when I was 16. Junior welterweight kickboxing title and lightweight muay thai title to his name. If you need information on one of my boxing coaches try searching for Ray Paxton who was inducted into USA Boxing Southern Association Hall of Fame. I am not going to list on and on about Muay Thai trainers overseas because it's already obvious. Give it a fucking break chump.

I never claimed to be a world champion, but I have fought and still train as a professional which is more then you could ever say for yourself. I am pretty damn sure there are some pro fighters here that care less for a forum tag and want to see what you idiots have to say while avoiding being bothered/spammed with multiple messages.

 

[vu]

Wow...this thread has really devolved into personal bickering...

 

[Kyun]

Wow...this thread has really devolved into personal bickering...

yeah fortunately...people can't take others opinions.

o

 

[CowboyPete]

Kyun, you seem to hate the shit out of this forum and everyone on it. Why do you keep posting?

 

[CowboyPete]

yeah fortunately...people can't take others opinions.

o

 

[Kyun]

So when people disagree with your opinion, especially the parts that are factually false, they can't take an opinion. But when you shoot down the straw men of other people's opinions with horrible arguments based on pretty much nothing, that's ok?

You admit yourself that your TKD training was McDojo-esque and you got your blackbelt in a kickboxing gym simply in order to have some paperwork that says you can fight. Yet you criticize other people who train in TKD seriously and have done so for many years for their opinions about TKD. Furthermore, you disregard as silly the opinions of people who are straight up better fighters than you about TKD.Could you even entertain the thought that a single TKD technique would be useful in a fight or are you too close minded for even that?

Listen man. In the beginning of this thread all I said is that TKD does not adapt to MMA as easily as other martial arts do. I also stated that basically the majority of the techniques are useless. I never did say EVERYTHING from Tae Kwon Do. Basically if someone has the choice to stay away from it and take something else such as boxing, wrestling, bjj, judo, kyokushin, then they should.

I took Tae Kwon Do as a child, I never said it was a McDojo. In fact, my Korean instructor was supposed to be on the Korean TKD Olympic Team or was on the team. He definitely was a legit, but young instructor. I cannot remember because I was 9 -10 years old. Pot and boxing combined kills a lot of brain cells.

If I was to choose anything from TKD (but could also be taken from Karate) would be a back kick because if used correctly ie (ian schaffa vs genki sudo) you can manage to catch your opponent. But there is simply a lot of risks in doing so because you expose your back, but I have used it when my opponent was against the ropes.

 

[Kyun]

Kyun, you seem to hate the shit out of this forum and everyone on it. Why do you keep posting?

what are you talking about? I love you:redface:

No seriously though, I intend to be a contributor to those that need it on stand up. This thread just got way out of hand though because the ballerinas got all upset.

 

[skippyzippyjoe]

Heehee. Easily the funniest thing in this whole thread.

Maybe you should make your opinion much less of a large penis that tries to ravage the ass of everyone who disagrees with you over the internet and more of a "wordish" type thingy.

HAHAHA. I think that your response topped his.

 

[krellik]

Wait another tkd thread turned to shit?? Who could have thought... Really...

 

[Groucho]

Hahahah

...
How about the "Brazillian kick" as Kyryllo calls it? Francisco Filho landed one of those on Ernesto Hoosts head. How often does Hoost get kicked in the head?

...

Glaube landed one on Semmy

just trying to make your point more impressive:icon_chee

 

[ssckp86]

First of all dont be such a whiny bitch, if someone wants to give you some advice because he genuinelly wants to help, dont start to fucking bitch about it. You made a pretty fucking general tread about adjusting tkd for mma and I chimed in with my thoughts on whats most important, getting that tough hard sparring at a dedicated mma gym (not some bjj guys that moonshine a bit on mma). Why? Because that will kill of many of your illusions of what is effective or not.

For instance you mention tkd give you good footwork, sure, but you cant use it in mma, soccer gives you good footwork to, but you cant use that either in mma. You need to start training specific for the sport of mma as fast as you can. Same advice goes if your a wrestler, bjj guy, boxer or what the fuck ever, if you want to compete in mma, train the sport of mma as early as possible, then crosstrain all that you want, that way you will know what works and what doesnt.

Do you train with a hungry and skilled group that is -devoted- to mma (not some bjj guys moonshining in mma)? If so tell us stories and anecdotes from it, what works for you, etc etc

First off all, you need to stop being such a whiney bitch. Why the fuck do you reply saying he needs a reality check? Why are you in a position to be condescending? Fuck you bitch. Please shut the Fuck up. Forever.

 

[Orsyn]

pride videos do not count. No you haven't you liar.




Since when is reverse punch low step up high punch lead leg switch kick to the head or body
a muay thai combo? In seven years I have yet to see that except in Contra, but it went something like up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, A, B, A, B, Select, Start when "Jungle" appears on the demonstration screen.

Sorry, you just lost all credibilty. The code was up up down down left right left right B A (select for 2 players) start.

:icon_chee

 

[CowboyPete]

Listen man. In the beginning of this thread all I said is that TKD does not adapt to MMA as easily as other martial arts do. I also stated that basically the majority of the techniques are useless. I never did say EVERYTHING from Tae Kwon Do. Basically if someone has the choice to stay away from it and take something else such as boxing, wrestling, bjj, judo, kyokushin, then they should.

I took Tae Kwon Do as a child, I never said it was a McDojo. In fact, my Korean instructor was supposed to be on the Korean TKD Olympic Team or was on the team. He definitely was a legit, but young instructor. I cannot remember because I was 9 -10 years old. Pot and boxing combined kills a lot of brain cells.

If I was to choose anything from TKD (but could also be taken from Karate) would be a back kick because if used correctly ie (ian schaffa vs genki sudo) you can manage to catch your opponent. But there is simply a lot of risks in doing so because you expose your back, but I have used it when my opponent was against the ropes.

If all you said was "I don't think TKD adapts to MMA as easily as X, Y, or Z." I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. They might disagree but whatever. The whole hullaballoo started with your statement that the majority of the techniques are useless. That's 1) not true and 2) inflammatory. If you said instead X art has similar techniques and I think they're better, no one would have had a problem with that, except maybe that they'd disagree.

Excuse me for assuming your TKD training was McDojo-esque but the way you talked it down, it's hard to think anything else.

what are you talking about? I love you:redface:

No seriously though, I intend to be a contributor to those that need it on stand up. This thread just got way out of hand though because the ballerinas got all upset.

I'm glad you love me, honey, but I don't think it'll work out between us.:icon_chee

It's stuff like the ballerina comments and all the bravado that gets on people's nerves. No one has a problem with new people joining the forum. People just don't like it when others behave in such an abrasive way.

 

[Evil Eye Gouger]

Nobody would have a problem with you Kyun, if you stuck to things you know something about. However, you have repeatedly posted things which are verifiably false, and people corrected you on it. Then you got aggressive.

You are actually currently giving people advice on what works in MMA, even though you admit you have never trained for MMA or competed in MMA. This is the exactly what you are accusing people of doing, on top of writing things which are simply not true (like claiming that Serkan Yilmaz was a TKD world champion). You have a loud mouth and are quick to insult people yet all you have offered yourself is rubbish you got from google.

Get a new username and start over, maybe it will work out better next time.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Pride FC site is wrong. He's never trained Muay Thai or even fought in it ever.

Mirko trained in Muay Thai and fought MT rules matches after he had trained in TKD and boxing. That doesnt mean he was a MT champ, or that he has an exclusivley MT influence. He competed in 'Savate' rules matches too but he never trained in Savate.

Bas Rtten did the same, he had balck belts in TKD and KK before training with some MT guys and competing in MT rues matches before he got into Pancrase.