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Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by gotBooched, Jan 12, 2018.
Machida was a LHW champ and vitor was LHW champ.
Most exclude Jones off the GOAT list for his numerous failed tests (rightfully so)
But I also exclude Jones off any GOAT lists due to his weak resume over nothing but MWs and older men.
Jones never beat anyone in their prime who was his size.
And the fact Jones fought in a weak division while constantly having to break the rules with eye pokes to be effective with his mediocre skill set (Jones was nothing but size strength and wrestling)
LHW and HW have always been the weakest, shallowest, of all divisions through out MMA.
There simply aren't that many men that big, so the talent pool for LHW is always going to be extremely shallow to draw from
And of that tiny percentage of men who average LHW size, an even tinier percentage of that group will even be coordinated/talented.
LHW has always been thrash.
For perspective, a barely ranked Jones got a title shot, because of the lack of depth at LHW. There was simply no one else but Jones to fight, when Rashad got injuried.
Jones consistently "defended" against "contenders" who had no more then winning streaks of 2. Some even had losing records yet got title shots at Jones due to lack of depth at LHW.
You will never see that in any other divisions. LHW is the only division where 1 or 2 wins can you get a title shot due to the lack of depth and talent at LHW.
The REAL TRUE GOATS of modern drug tested MMA are Gsp and Conor
Where as Conor is the champion of THE 2 MOST STACKED DIVISIONS IN MMA (FW and LW).
FW and LW are average sized men, so you are going to get MILLIONS more to draw from among the talent pools at 145/155 (even 135 now too)
And with talent pools that large at FW and LW, you are going to get far more of those elite talents competing in MMA at 145 and 155
Conor is actually dominating OTHER LEGIT ELITE level talents in actual legit stacked talent pools
Anything Conor accomplishes at 145 and 155 automatically holds far more significance - and is far superior to anything Jones (or any one else at LHW) accomplish at LHW.
Conor is far superior.
For more perspective, when Conor out classed Alvarez, Alvarez was 28-4.
You will never see a Jones opponent that had 28 wins with less losses.
LHW is just so shallow and can't compare to the actual real stacked talent pools of FW and LW.
Take Conor with his skill set and put him at 205, and he WIPES EVERYONE OUT with complete ease
Conor would especially MURDER Jon Jones
Jones has shit Ronda level boxing
Jones is lucky that LHW is full of low IQ brawlers and the old guard BJJ/Muay Thai guys
Look at what Gus the boxer did to Jones
Now imagine a 205 Conor against Jones
Jones doesn't even know how to defend the jab
Meanwhile Conor was destroying Nate with the jab (while varrying up his jab speeds and types of jabs - from uprising jabs to straight piston jabs etc, while mixing up with feints to consistently keep off balance and keep second guessing - Conor showing off his superb fight IQ and jab IQ). Conor is just on another level. Conor out jab'd a freaking Diaz brother
Look below for examples of Jones's absolutely dog shit amature level defense. Literally turning his head away from strikes like a rookie amature off the street in his first time in a boxing ring does.
Meanwhile compare that to Conor's elite level defense (by actual legit elite boxing standards)
Jones doesnt even have good defense by MMA standards. Conor was matrix dodging Floyd in a boxing match.
More examples of Conor's amazing defense, skill, countering, IQ - and in general, of just how superior Conor is to Jones in every single possible level.
The footage never lies, just compare and it's night and day.
Conor is vastly superior to Jones - and any other LHW in history, in every single facet of boxing skill and MMA striking.
A 205 Conor would wipe out LHW 1000000000x worse then Jones ever did
Conor is actually dominating SUPERIOR TALENTS in far more stacked talent rich divisions far more impressively then Jones ever did
Jones would simply overwhelm and brute force strength smaller older weaker outmatched men in ugly fashion
LHW would be a kiddie pool in comparison to the shark tanks of FW and LW.
Again, Jones is lucky that LHW has no boxers with footwork or any kind of talent pool to speak of.
Jones's weakness is a boxer. Conor is tailor made to treat Jones like a punching bag.
Jones, along with Anderson and Ronda are the most over rated hype jobs in MMA history
The 3 real GOATS of MMA. Gsp, Conor, Fedor
There i fixed your post for you: ) Now it's actually accurate. And those were the biggest factors to Jones "success"
First time Jones fought someone close in size and close in age, Jones was beaten to a pulp by Gus. That said it all. Jones was badly exposed.
Forget the failed tests, there is much more evidence for Jones being excluded from any kind of GOAT talks.
Jones was NOTHING but size.
Jones never beat anyone his size, let alone bigger.
The vast majority of Jones's fabled "resume" is stacked with wins over OLD fighters who were already past their primes.
Jones needed eye pokes just to be effective with his mediocre skill set.
Jones is not any kind of real GOAT. Even if he had never been caught
Jones and Anderson are the 2 biggest hype jobs in MMA history
Gsp and Conor are the only true GOATS of modern drug tested MMA
Did you forget the rematch? Derp
Out classed full camp Nate
Conor a career FW beating a MUCH BIGGER Diaz brother at WW 2 weight classes above where he had spent the vast majority of his career (at FW) still shits on the majority of Jones's wins over old small men. And that's not even Conor's best win
Never mind Conor's GOAT wins over Aldo and Alvarez. Conor's win over Aldo alone blows away any single Jones "win"
Or Conor's win over Holloway. Jones has never beaten a young same sized stud the equivilant to a Holloway
Jones has never beaten anyone bigger, or even younger
Jones is lucky LHW has always been garbage with just a few stand outs who were already OLD when Jones came along
Conor routinely out skills MUCH bigger men (Nate and Alvarez)
Heck Conor lost to Nate on a fluke short notice, and then won the rematch just 5 months later
Meanwhile Jones gets exposed badly by Gus, gets a gift robbery over Gus, and then DUCKS HIS REMATCH AGAINST GUS for life
Conor>>>>>Jones in every single way
FW and LW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LHW
Just hard enough to be certain other fighters in the running are clean just because they didn't pop.
DC himself comes to mind. Does one rank him ahead because he has the belt and hasn't lost to anyone besides failed test Jones? DC has less suspicion from me than other greats about cheating, but it still wouldnt be the least bit surprising if he did
GSP never failed but also only has been getting tested for 1 1/2 of his fights, has that strange gut appearance that my sherdog doctors tell me means something, and a friendship with a huge drug dealer.
Mighty Mouse - certainly could be the GOAT but 125lbs doesn't have a lot of fighters in the talent pool compared to a 155lbs
Fedor - his fight career outside of Japan l/Russia has been pretty suspect. I get that fighters decline and post prime shouldn't be held against them but he declined at an earlier age than basically all other heavyweights.
Anderson - also has a broken dick and Jones resume for GOAT trumps this fellow cheater
Any credibility DESTROYED
Jones is the GOAT
Jones is (was) phenomenal. No one ever beat Cormier, no one came even close.
And DC was beating heavies like TRT Bigfoot.
This is the absolute low level that Jones fans will stoop to, showing off/gloating about his win over DC, where Jones was busted cold for one of the most powerful anabolic steroids you can use. Mind you, a fight that a clean old fat DC was still winning until the kick. Jones is so over rated.
Clean DC vs clean Jones, DC beats Jones.
Never mind that, young prime DC still beats UFC run Jones (and the Jones who fought DC in fight #2) who was a walking talking concoction of every ped known to man. People forget Jones has failed for 3 different kinds of steroids through out his career (estrogen blockers are only used to cycle off riods) It cant get any more blatant. Some people are in some serious denial. Jones is forever erased from any GOAT talks
is this even a question? mans undefeated and ragdolled current champ with easy in both fights...
hes the goat
but would've he be able to avenge these losses if his life would have taken away?
jon jones goat,no losses pure dominance throughout his career
Jon Steroid Jones how can men with this name be the best ever
Gross irony here
Here are some facts for you
During Jones "title run" he had 5 decisions. Jones went a long time without finishing any one himself. But difference is Gsp was actually fighting prime elite opponents in an actual stacked division, unlike LHW
The ONLY true LHWs Jones ever finished were an injuried coming off surgery Shogun, and a fat old Rampage
Jones is so over rated. Plenty of legends were far more dominant against far better younger competition
Jones isn't even top 10, failed tests or not
I'm a long time fan and student of combat sports who actually knows what im watching, who goes by skill, significance, relevancey, dept of division competed in etc.
Jones fails on all fronts.
It's actually annoying how many people just spout off about Jones resume without ever applying context (who was actually in their prime etc)
And of course, it's always amusing seeing the kool aid drinkers repeat Dana's and Rogan's absurd propaganda about Jones "perhaps being the greatest talent ever".....lol
GSP is the real GOAT
And Conor OUT classed full camp Nate in the rematch
Meanwhile Jones gets destroyed by Gus and DUCKS the rematch
Jones the biggest Fraud in MMA history. Never beat anyone his size or age.
Why don't you actually read my posts too. Where I actually explained all my points logically with facts supporting my analysis. Delusional Jones fanboys. All 10 of you.
Let me remind you
How can Jones be the GOAT when he never beat any one his size, or his age, and WAS EXPOSED by Gus, for being nothing but size
HAHAHA JONES EXPOSED
Yeah, clearly that man ^ the male version of Ronda in the boxing, is the GOAT
feel this way in all sports:
the person who performed best at a sport, was the best:
i dont care about PEDs, and even if i did, their prevalence would keep me from making it an issue
(although i really liked yer young Frye, when Hamilton was in his corner)
this post is to honer yer new AV- my fave round-robin-bully-in-the-dojo,
and a great choice fer av if i do say so.......
(and i do)
It's very telling that DC's 2nd biggest win at HW was Bigfoot
Jones fanboys keep acting like DC was the HW champ in order to prop up Jones.
DC was nothing more then a fringe HW contender who never beat any of the top 5 HWs. DC is insanely over rated too
some sherdoggers dont understand that peds increase performance considerably. they believe peds should be legal and that everyone is using.
low iq = jones goat thinking.
Jones is nothing.
lols. so much ingorance and wishful thinking