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Sonnen?LOL you just made me realize how many times Jones defended against middleweights. Pathetic.
Machida was a LHW champ and vitor was LHW champ.
Sonnen?LOL you just made me realize how many times Jones defended against middleweights. Pathetic.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHis creativity, fight intelligence and coordination is like something out of a movie, no one has yet to come close.
But Jones is something uniquely special.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Most exclude Jones off the GOAT list for his numerous failed tests (rightfully so)
But I also exclude Jones off any GOAT lists due to his weak resume over nothing but MWs and older men.
Jones never beat anyone in their prime who was his size.
And the fact Jones fought in a weak division while constantly having to break the rules with eye pokes to be effective with his mediocre skill set (Jones was nothing but size strength and wrestling)
LHW and HW have always been the weakest, shallowest, of all divisions through out MMA.
There simply aren't that many men that big, so the talent pool for LHW is always going to be extremely shallow to draw from
And of that tiny percentage of men who average LHW size, an even tinier percentage of that group will even be coordinated/talented.
LHW has always been thrash.
For perspective, a barely ranked Jones got a title shot, because of the lack of depth at LHW. There was simply no one else but Jones to fight, when Rashad got injuried.
Jones consistently "defended" against "contenders" who had no more then winning streaks of 2. Some even had losing records yet got title shots at Jones due to lack of depth at LHW.
You will never see that in any other divisions. LHW is the only division where 1 or 2 wins can you get a title shot due to the lack of depth and talent at LHW.
The REAL TRUE GOATS of modern drug tested MMA are Gsp and Conor
Where as Conor is the champion of THE 2 MOST STACKED DIVISIONS IN MMA (FW and LW).
FW and LW are average sized men, so you are going to get MILLIONS more to draw from among the talent pools at 145/155 (even 135 now too)
And with talent pools that large at FW and LW, you are going to get far more of those elite talents competing in MMA at 145 and 155
Conor is actually dominating OTHER LEGIT ELITE level talents in actual legit stacked talent pools
Anything Conor accomplishes at 145 and 155 automatically holds far more significance - and is far superior to anything Jones (or any one else at LHW) accomplish at LHW.
Conor is far superior.
For more perspective, when Conor out classed Alvarez, Alvarez was 28-4.
You will never see a Jones opponent that had 28 wins with less losses.
LHW is just so shallow and can't compare to the actual real stacked talent pools of FW and LW.
Take Conor with his skill set and put him at 205, and he WIPES EVERYONE OUT with complete ease
Conor would especially MURDER Jon Jones
Jones has shit Ronda level boxing
Jones is lucky that LHW is full of low IQ brawlers and the old guard BJJ/Muay Thai guys
Look at what Gus the boxer did to Jones
Now imagine a 205 Conor against Jones
Jones doesn't even know how to defend the jab
Meanwhile Conor was destroying Nate with the jab (while varrying up his jab speeds and types of jabs - from uprising jabs to straight piston jabs etc, while mixing up with feints to consistently keep off balance and keep second guessing - Conor showing off his superb fight IQ and jab IQ). Conor is just on another level. Conor out jab'd a freaking Diaz brother
Look below for examples of Jones's absolutely dog shit amature level defense. Literally turning his head away from strikes like a rookie amature off the street in his first time in a boxing ring does.
Meanwhile compare that to Conor's elite level defense (by actual legit elite boxing standards)
Jones doesnt even have good defense by MMA standards. Conor was matrix dodging Floyd in a boxing match.
More examples of Conor's amazing defense, skill, countering, IQ - and in general, of just how superior Conor is to Jones in every single possible level.
The footage never lies, just compare and it's night and day.
Conor is vastly superior to Jones - and any other LHW in history, in every single facet of boxing skill and MMA striking.
A 205 Conor would wipe out LHW 1000000000x worse then Jones ever did
Conor is actually dominating SUPERIOR TALENTS in far more stacked talent rich divisions far more impressively then Jones ever did
Jones would simply overwhelm and brute force strength smaller older weaker outmatched men in ugly fashion
LHW would be a kiddie pool in comparison to the shark tanks of FW and LW.
Again, Jones is lucky that LHW has no boxers with footwork or any kind of talent pool to speak of.
Jones's weakness is a boxer. Conor is tailor made to treat Jones like a punching bag.
Jones, along with Anderson and Ronda are the most over rated hype jobs in MMA history
The 3 real GOATS of MMA. Gsp, Conor, Fedor
There i fixed your post for you: ) Now it's actually accurate. And those were the biggest factors to Jones "success"JJ is far separated from his 205 landscape. He was significantly BIGGER and YOUNGER than the rest, .
Did you forget the rematch? DerpLMAO!!!!
Connor GOAT??!?!?!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Did you forget the rematch? Derp
Out classed full camp Nate
Conor a career FW beating a MUCH BIGGER Diaz brother at WW 2 weight classes above where he had spent the vast majority of his career (at FW) still shits on the majority of Jones's wins over old small men. And that's not even Conor's best win
Never mind Conor's GOAT wins over Aldo and Alvarez. Conor's win over Aldo alone blows away any single Jones "win"
Or Conor's win over Holloway. Jones has never beaten a young same sized stud the equivilant to a Holloway
Jones has never beaten anyone bigger
Conor routinely out skills MUCH bigger men (Nate and Alvarez)
Heck Conor lost to Nate on a fluke short notice, and then won the rematch just 5 months later
Meanwhile Jones gets exposed badly by Gus, gets a gift robbery over Gus, and then DUCKS HIS REMATCH AGAINST HIS GUS for life
Conor>>>>>Jones in every single way
FW and LW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LHW
This is the absolute low level that Jones fans will stoop to, showing off/gloating about his win over DC, where Jones was busted cold for one of the most powerful anabolic steroids you can use. Mind you, a fight that a clean old fat DC was still winning until the kick. Jones is so over rated.This is it here
but would've he be able to avenge these losses if his life would have taken away?He avenged both losses in dominant fashion, sit fown son.
GOAT
Gross irony hereGOATS dont go 5 years without being able to finish an opponent LOL
GOATS dont tap to strikes LOL
GOATS dont need to cheat with vaseline to beat smaller fighters LOL
LMAO!!!
Connor GOAT?!?!?!?
Any credibility DESTROYED
LMAOO!!!!
How is this even up for consideration? Dude is a twice proven cheater. He and his team believed he required an illegal advantage to successfully compete against mostly clean fighters. MW Vitor and a couple other MW's being the exceptions.
Question for people who think the cheater is the GOAT.....do you feel this way in all sports, or is just because you were a Jones fan before he popped (the first time). Is it that you like Jones or that you dislike DC that you still support him?
Honest questions here. I'm truly stumped to see how he still has people lining up to punch his butthole with their tongues.
GSP is of course the GOAT
How is he not the GOAT?
Explain. Don't give me any USADA bullshit.
He's got the best record and most dominant championship victories.
Yes he is an utter shitstain of a person, and if not for his gifted physical abilities he'd be dead or serving a long stretch behind bars.
It's very telling that DC's 2nd biggest win at HW was BigfootJones is (was) phenomenal. No one ever beat Cormier, no one came even close.
And DC was beating heavies like TRT Bigfoot.
lols. so much ingorance and wishful thinkingSo basically, no one from PRIDE, Elite Xc, WEC, StrikeForce or Bellator can be the GOAT? Without USADA saying that person is clean?
Strangely enough, USADA has NOT exposed him as a drug cheat - USADA said he was stupid but innocent the first time and it looks like that will happen again.
So, either USADA is right or wrong - which is it? Jon has yet to be found knowingly cheating per your own source.