Francis held an MMA guard against Joshua and got KO'd

[websurfer]

Luke Thomas provides slow motion footage of the fight which is required for watching the next video. He does an impressive breakdown of the fight addressing similar issues, particularly the parry and foot work.


Had Francis sparred against actual boxers they would have exploited his MMA guard. Francis needs to bring in some high level boxers for his next training camp. He was trying to parry the punches which is supposedly a high risk, no reward type of move in boxing. It's explained in this video. Starts from 15:45 minute mark:


Hopefully Francis doesn't parry like that in the next boxing fight. Unfortunately it was a newb move and he paid for it.

 

[Nova44]

Mma fans will create threads about the same thing a thousand times won't they. We all knew this sruff as we watched the fight dude, we don't need slow motion breakdowns to see what Ngannou did wrong.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Luke did a decent job in his analysis even though it's basic. As he pointed out AJ started making adjustments after only 1 minute. Before long he already had Ngannou's tendencies and timing down. Specifically on his predictable level changes and forward steps. Ngannou was overcommitting on his parries but that's immediately obvious. You don't swat away punches like that. It just creates big openings that can be taken advantage of. Particularly once you start feinting & hooking off the jab. Ngannou's "defense" remained static even when he switched stances.

I liked AJ's subtle angle changes on his entries & exits. He made educated use of feints, lead hand control, and level changes as well. He also parried, but unlike Ngannou, did so properly.

That's the gist of the video.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Promoting your grandma's fight breakdown youtube channel? lol

 

[surgeyou1]

Wish Ngannou went to a real boxing camp. He did the same thing as Conor and just had his usual striking coaches train him.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Wish Ngannou went to a real boxing camp. He did the same thing as Conor and just had his usual striking coaches train him.

Huh? Dewey Cooper is his striking coach. He's a former pro boxer and has trained boxers for years. Works out of the TMT Mayweather Boxing Club in Vegas.

 

[jamel]

You’re preaching to the “I didn’t know Holyfield REALLY head butted Tyson that many times” crowd…

 

[PBAC]

what stood out to me was that his guard was much looser this time like he was prepped to parry. Francis got caught the first time off a parry.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

what stood out to me was that his guard was much looser this time like he was prepped to parry. Francis got caught the first time off a parry.

Yeah his guard was wide open. The first time he got caught and dropped by AJ was after he switched southpaw. He tried to use his lead hand to parry AJ's straight right but fell short. AJ already had his timing down when he level changed. He just waited for him to pop back up since his head was directly on the center line. As soon as that happened he got blasted.

It was the second knockdown that fucked him up though. AJ set a trap and walked him into a big counter right hand over-the-top. I predicted he'd walk him into a big shot before the fight. Sure enough he did. That was the beginning of the end for Ngannou.

 

[jeff7b9]

You can't learn top 5 level, championship level boxing in a few months or even in a year.

That's it. Of course there were technical flaws, though I actually thought Francis had improved his jab, stance and footwork for boxing since the Fury fight.

But you can't close a gap that enormous.


Once Francis got dropped he ceased to be offensive and ceased to be dangerous. The problem is, Francis being dangerous or at least being perceived as dangerous was the only thing keeping him MILDLY safe. After that he was a sitting duck

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Luke Thomas provides slow motion footage of the fight which is required for watching the next video. He does an impressive breakdown of the fight addressing similar issues, particularly the parry and foot work.


Had Francis sparred against actual boxers they would have exploited his MMA guard. Francis needs to bring in some high level boxers for his next training camp. He was trying to parry the punches which is supposedly a high risk, no reward type of move in boxing. It's explained in this video. Starts from 15:45 minute mark:


Hopefully Francis doesn't parry like that in the next boxing fight. Unfortunately it was a newb move and he paid for it.

Missed this last part. Francis did spar against actual boxers to prepare for AJ & Fury. He's been sparring them for a while now. It wasn't just the way he tries to parry shots that got him into trouble here. For starters he doesn't move his head at all. That's one of the main reasons why he was so easy to find.

AJ consistently landed flush bombs which an actual high level boxer should be able to avoid most of the time (or at least ride them to take the steam off). He needs to step down his opposition and work on heavily improving his defense if he still plans to box. There should be multiple layers to it.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Did a quick Google search earlier. Here's an incomplete list of pro boxers that Francis has sparred with. Guys that we know of. Guido Vianello was one of his main sparring partners to prep for AJ.

Carlos Takam (40-8-1)
Joe Joyce (15-2)
Guido Vianello (12-1-1)
Jeremiah Milton (11-0)
Matty Harris (6-1)
Jackson Murray (6-0)
Darren Sealy (0-1)

 

[Stuart0502]

Without seeing more context I think it’s a stretch to say that Parrying is a high risk/no reward type of move.

Parrying worked pretty well for Foreman and a bunch of other boxers.

The flaw was in the execution which isn’t a shock considering the difference in experience level.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

He's not a career boxer, he would have gotten knocked out no matter what his guard was. Joshua didn't come to play.

 

[spinup]

Had Francis sparred against actual boxers they would have exploited his MMA guard. Francis needs to bring in some high level boxers for his next training camp.

He sparred legit pro boxers.
Guido Vianello, Jeremiah Milton, Jackson Murray, Oleksandr Zakhozhyi. Probably others.

TBF Milton sparred both and said Joshua would run through Francis.

 

[GolovKing]

Huh? Dewey Cooper is his striking coach. He's a former pro boxer and has trained boxers for years. Works out of the TMT Mayweather Boxing Club in Vegas.

He doesn't have any real credentials as a boxing trainer at the elite level. He trains mostly MMA fighters and has mixed results with that

 

[Jonny Ninja]

Luke Thomas provides slow motion footage of the fight which is required for watching the next video. He does an impressive breakdown of the fight addressing similar issues, particularly the parry and foot work.


Had Francis sparred against actual boxers they would have exploited his MMA guard. Francis needs to bring in some high level boxers for his next training camp. He was trying to parry the punches which is supposedly a high risk, no reward type of move in boxing. It's explained in this video. Starts from 15:45 minute mark:


Hopefully Francis doesn't parry like that in the next boxing fight. Unfortunately it was a newb move and he paid for it.

I would say the first knock down was largely down to him switching to southpaw. Fuckin stupidity on his part and definitely more common in mma. Most pro boxers can’t fight anywhere near their capability in the opposite stance so they just don’t do it!

The second knockdown he fell short with a lazy jab, and Joshua timed him. Joshua was throwing that right hand full power before Francis even extended his arm with the jab. Joshua didn’t even need to slip it, it just fell short

His guard wasn’t gonna help him, he had no real shape, but it wasn’t why he got knocked out

 

[Naoya#1]

thats what i would call is the uglier brother syndrom

joshua just did what the better looking and more successful brother would do to his little bro.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

He doesn't have any real credentials as a boxing trainer at the elite level. He trains mostly MMA fighters and has mixed results with that

Lots of trainers don't have the credentials but they still make fine boxing trainers. Do you think Ben Davison was qualified to train Fury when he came back to fight Wilder the first time? He'd done nothing at the elite level.

Dewey has trained high level pro boxers—Jessie Vargas (former WW champ) & Carlos Takam (former HW contender that challenged for the unified world title) just to name two. Freddie Roach had no MMA credentials at all and he trained GSP and other top MMA fighters. He's the one that helped him develop his jab which was so effective in the octagon. Ask Josh Koscheck. It broke his orbital in the rematch.

 

[GolovKing]

Lots of trainers don't have the credentials but they still make fine boxing trainers. Do you think Ben Davison was qualified to train Fury when he came back to fight Wilder the first time? He'd done nothing at the elite level.

Dewey has trained high level pro boxers—Jessie Vargas (former WW champ) & Carlos Takam (former HW contender that challenged for the unified world title) just to name two. Freddie Roach had no MMA credentials at all and he trained GSP and other top MMA fighters. He's the one that helped him develop his jab which was so effective in the octagon. Ask Josh Koscheck. It broke his orbital in the rematch.

Dewey Cooper hasn't shown any type of brilliance as a trainer. He's got connections with the Mayweather gym and that's how he gets fighters to train with him. Ben Davison is a young guy, he's got time to carve out his own legacy as a coach. So far he seems like he's a very good coach in my eyes. Freddie Roach was not there to teach gsp MMA. He's an expert boxing trainer gsp brought in to compliment his training camp