Nuclearlandmine's journey to detonation V1: I hate douchebags

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Or throw some headkicks back at him, since he cant punch his face.. Anyways you live and you learn
 
SaiWa said:
that would have been okay if you could have returned fire with some jabs/crosses/hooks/uppercuts to their faces... most of your weapons were taken away from you.
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what about punching right below their chin? between the shoulder blades or something? im wondering if that would cause them to flinch like a punch towards their face.
 
I wonder why nobody thinks of it from the view of the Kyokushinkai.
There was nothing really stopping NLM from kicking back.
If his goal was to see how his understanding of "old school boxing" helps vs other arts , there was nothing really stopping him.
Punching their heads wouldn't have made him much less vulnerable to Low and high kicks .Things like distancing / positioning awareness / blocking kicks etc hold true whether he punched their heads or not.
Turned sideways with his hands down low he was always vulnerable to those kicks.
More than likely they were expecting kicks back and all that.
It wasn't just all old school because he was using shin blocks. Why not kick too ?
I mean that is his purpose , right ? Old school boxing with kicks. Here was a prime opportunity to practice all that without getting punched in the face. Head kicks are a lot easier to stop when you don't have punches coming to distract you .
Like where was the body work ? The proper blocks or evasions to those kicks ?
Why didn't he throw ? Did he freeze ? Was it because he realized bare shin on shin (real kicks , not the love taps he does) hurts a lot more than a bag ?
Like is he saying his whole striking defense is going to based on "Well I'll just punch you in the face" ?
Reminds of deluded TMA stylists who constantly say " Well I would've kicked him in the groin.....groin attacks ......the groin "

Another thing you all are missing is that (by his own account) he set up there because he wanted to show (us ?) how his understanding of "old school boxing" carries over Vs other arts .
Right or wrong , no school / students / teacher is going to let someone do that (either consciously or subconsciously).
Most everyone thinks their style is right. If you're going to prove your style's concepts then that's on you to do it .......without expecting them to play the perfect foil to your shenanigans.

Ftr I didn't think they went wild on him. It was hard but without "going" hard or trying to actually hurt him.

Truth of the matter is , the whole thing didn't turn out he way he thought but it's nobody's fault but his own.
 
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KounterPunch said:
I wonder why nobody thinks of it from the view of the Kyokushinkai.
There was nothing really stopping NLM from kicking back.
If his goal was to see how his understanding of "old school boxing" helps vs other arts , there was nothing really stopping him.
Punching their heads wouldn't have made him much less vulnerable to Low and high kicks .Things like distancing / positioning awareness / blocking kicks etc hold true whether he punched their heads or not.
Turned sideways with his hands down low he was always vulnerable to those kicks.
More than likely they were expecting kicks back and all that.
It wasn't just all old school because he was using shin blocks. Why not kick too ?
I mean that is his purpose , right ? Old school boxing with kicks. Here was a prime opportunity to practice all that without getting punched in the face. Head kicks are a lot easier to stop when you don't have punches coming to distract you .
Like where was the body work ? The proper blocks or evasions to those kicks ?
Why didn't he throw ? Did he freeze ? Was it because he realized bare shin on shin (real kicks , not the love taps he does) hurts a lot more than a bag ?
Like is he saying his whole striking defense is going to based on "Well I'll just punch you in the face" ?
Reminds of deluded TMA stylists who constantly say " Well I would've kicked him in the groin.....groin attacks ......the groin "

Another thing you all are missing is that (by his own account) he set up there because he wanted to show (us ?) how his understanding of "old school boxing" carries over Vs other arts .
Right or wrong , no school / students / teacher is going to let someone do that (either consciously or subconsciously).
Most everyone thinks their style is right. If you're going to prove your style's concepts then that's on you to do it .......without expecting them to play the perfect foil to your shenanigans.

Ftr I didn't think they went wild on him. It was hard but without "going" hard or trying to actually hurt him.

Truth of the matter is , the whole thing didn't turn out he way he thought but it's nobody's fault but his own.
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What. Kyokushin Fighters especially those who don't train to react to or punch to the face must adapt on the fly to the new target and thus a new vulnerability. Punching a Kyokushin fighter in the face or threatening with a punch disrupts their footwork because its something uncommon. It's like taking a TKD specialist into a mma fight, they will be more hesitant to throw kicks because of the threat of a takedown.

No one likes getting punched in the face, and because Kyokushin does not develop head movement to avoid punches like Boxing does, they need to adjust the footwork and would have not just came forward in the exact same manner at Nuke like they did if their face was vulnerable.

Also, Nuke is new to kicks, if you saw his teep form check video, you would realize that. It wasn't a controlled spar with his coach there setting up what he needed to drill. He does not have that much experience with it, nor does he have that experience with leg kicks if you saw him spar against the "brawler" guy. I would have not recommended him to throw kicks anyways, let alone spar against those KK guys willy nilly.

You seem to really have it out for Nuke for some reason.

Another thing, yes, it was his fault for going out farther than he was ready to go. But , that doesn't let the KK guys off the hook either. Some instructors never teach control, to have "light" sparring. The KK guys took it farther than they needed to, as its just a cross-train sparring practice. Egos got into it.

Not to mention, you are wrong in that no school, nor teacher does that. My students get no ego-stroking from me. I have them train in a safe, controlled environment, but I don't try to brainwash them that Karate is end all be all, nor that my school or myself is the end all be all. They start slacking or getting too puffy in the ego, rather than having myself knock them down the peg, I bring in boxers, muay thai fighters, different Karate styles, sometimes wrestlers and other styles to spar. Some of them suffer because they weren't training hard enough. Those who struggle or try to put ego into it, at the end of the day even if they began to dominate their sparring partner only realize how hard they have to fight just to survive in a light spar. Ego is left at the door at my school, otherwise there will be severe consequences. It's going to get people hurt and its the first thing I teach to control. Egos start fights not just in the gym, but in real life where it can get you mauled or killed. I wish other instructors would realize that too.

"Sweat more in here, so you bleed less out there." Just some food for thought, stay thirsty my friend.

P.S. My original background is Kyokushin and Enshin Karate.
 
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I wonder why nobody thinks of it from the view of the Kyokushinkai.
There was nothing really stopping NLM from kicking back.

If his goal was to see how his understanding of "old school boxing" helps vs other arts , there was nothing really stopping him.

Punching their heads wouldn't have made him much less vulnerable to Low and high kicks .Things like distancing / positioning awareness / blocking kicks etc hold true whether he punched their heads or not.
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The threat of being punched in the face is the primary limiting factor when it comes to kicking. I can take upwards of 20 punches to the chest and gut, of which only one would 'hurt' me if I took it in the face. MMA isn't slower paced than TKD because MMA people don't work as hard. It is slower paced because the more elements involved that can hurt you, the more conservative you will be. Punching people in the face is the easiest, lowest threat, highest payoff move in the game - short of what I'm talking about in the next part.

KounterPunch said:
It wasn't just all old school because he was using shin blocks. Why not kick too ?
I mean that is his purpose , right ? Old school boxing with kicks. Here was a prime opportunity to practice all that without getting punched in the face. Head kicks are a lot easier to stop when you don't have punches coming to distract you .
Like where was the body work ? The proper blocks or evasions to those kicks ?
Why didn't he throw ? Did he freeze ? Was it because he realized bare shin on shin (real kicks , not the love taps he does) hurts a lot more than a bag ?
Like is he saying his whole striking defense is going to based on "Well I'll just punch you in the face" ?
Reminds of deluded TMA stylists who constantly say " Well I would've kicked him in the groin.....groin attacks ......the groin "
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Are you suggesting he was going to spontaneously develop kicking ability? Kicking ability takes a lot of work to develop. Someone who only kicks can be run over by punching them in the face. The only thing better is kicking them in the nuts.

I've been kicked in the nuts in real life. I've kicked people in the nuts. I've watched pro fighters on T.V. stagger around and look ready to give up from a kick in the nuts. I've seen dozens of people get kicked in the nuts in hard sparring and respond the same way. We would all like to believe that it is us who have the nasty shriveled numb nuts that will allow us to go into rage mode when kicked between the legs rather than stagger around like we forgot how to walk like everyone else always does, but that just isn't the case.

KounterPunch said:
Another thing you all are missing is that (by his own account) he set up there because he wanted to show (us ?) how his understanding of "old school boxing" carries over Vs other arts .
Right or wrong , no school / students / teacher is going to let someone do that (either consciously or subconsciously).
Most everyone thinks their style is right. If you're going to prove your style's concepts then that's on you to do it .......without expecting them to play the perfect foil to your shenanigans.
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I am a shit grappler and I spar with MMA rules ALL THE TIME. People can throw me on the ground and tap me out if I do not find a way to fend them off and I put myself in front of good wrestlers often. My style of being shitty at grappling is put the the test on a regular basis. It would be to my advantage to show up for sparring only on nights where they are working kickboxing only, but I don't. I even roll with them.

This is normal behavior here. Even the TSD people who do no clinching and no grappling occasionally put themselves in front of MMA people under MMA rules. If you want to apply your skills to the broader world, you have to do this. The only thing better would be to street fight with no rules, but people don't specifically because they don't want to get - kicked in the nuts.
 
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Protectandserve said:
A question for Sinister. I know you said Arni is not one of your students and trains with one of your other instructors but what was he doing or not doing that you teach in the first round of the fight Nuke posted?

I'm asking cause it looked like his opponent was landing leg kicks nearly at will, was landing okay hands but then gassed in the second and got caught/outboxed and then finished. Regardless it was a good win.

Seems a lot of people are saying Nuke is gonna be susceptible to getting leg kicked to death and I just want to know what you teach for leg kick defense.
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There were a few things going on in that first round. That's the most hesitant I've ever seen Arni, and he's already a slow-starter. The kind of dude who needs to get hit once or twice before he really starts to fight. But the rust was so potent in that bout, it was like he was standing there waiting for something to happen in his favor. All that did happen was the leg-kicks. I could see he wanted to counter with punches, but he wasn't pulling the trigger. That he wanted to counter with punches is why he didn't check them. He also normally moves laterally a lot more, so it's harder to just stand there yourself and kick him, but he was going straight in a lot.

I don't think Murrie just gassed, he was gassed from defending the takedown attempts. Plus, Arni took advantage of Murrie's not wanting to engage in that again to stay in punching range, just inside of kicking range, effectively neutralizing the kicks altogether.

How to defend the kicks I don't feel is a static answer. It depends on the type of kicker we're talking about. A very fast kicker you either want to check, or use small lateral steps to take the brunt of the force off of the kick. Off-set the angle so it doesn't land as flush as it should. If we're talking about a slow, hard kicker, neither of those are a very good. It's more preferable to be inside the kicking range, close to them, neutralizing their best weapon.

In other words...it depends.
 
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Summer Striker and Divine Comedy really projected hard out there.
But you guys are right on one thing . He shouldn't have done that.

So anyways , the gist of it is , NLM can't or shouldn't kick because he doesn't know how to or can't teep etc etc.
Did those KK guys know that ? Should they even care ? You came up and set your camera up and said "I wanna spar you".
The whole point of my post was that Life doesn't owe nobody anything and instead of projecting the blame everywhere but where it should be (in this case , inwards) you're just not learning the right thing.
Blaming the KK guys for everything (or anything) is real shortsighted.

And what were they supposed to do " oh you can't deal with low kicks .....ok no low kicks . You can't deal with high kicks too......ok no head kicks. So what do u want us to do , just body punching ? Why don't you just go box somewhere with actual boxers instead of trying to box with us guys who have no idea of wtf it is you're trying to do ?"
He didnt have the experience dealing with low kicks.......yeah that was the whole point . How are you going to deal with kicks with your interpretation of "old school" ?
Isn't that what he was trying ? Showing how old school (his idea of it) works vs other arts ?
Now because he failed (in pretty much the exact way a lot said he would) it he Kk guys fault ?

I dont know about your KK experience and obviously can't comment but the schools I've seen (2 - 3) all had a sparring pace that was similar to more intense than what we just seen and of all the KK guys I've sparred (a number) / fought(1 KK guy) none seem overly put out by throwing punches up top.
A lil hesitant , maybe , but not where they just magically forget everything they know and assume the fetal position.

As for the whole ego thing , notice I put "right or wrong" . That means im not giving my opinion on it but just stating a fact.
More so when u consider that unlike in the West here , where mma has brought cross training and gym hopping as the norm , in 3rd world countries like Vietnam etc it's still pretty much like the Bruce Lee days.
Not much exposure to different philosophies etc etc.
Basiclly my point is , Junior would do well next time to ditch the camera at home , put the "old school" or "boxing" jibber jabber off his lips ( and leave it on his mind intead) and just do whatever it is he's trying to do.
Then let him come back here and tell us if things turned out a lot calmer or not.


Ps - summer striker , your whole monologue about the kicking balls n grappling was hard to read but nvm.
 
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Let me use this opportunity to elaborate more on what happened in that day with the Kyokushinkai so that guys like KounterPunch wouldnt be able to run his mouth anymore.

One of the main instructors of the class is also the grappling instructor, and he did invited and welcome me to his karate class at anytime. Now he does know that i do boxing and want to learn striking, which is why he invited me in the first place. And in his class, i've never mouth off about my old school boxing, i just show up and learn, do kata and light kumite where i found out that i could applied some old school boxing principal to it (i did mention off handedly in my previous threads). One guy even thought i came from a Sanda background with my way lf catching kicks lol. I just went there for one or two sessions before a motorcycle accident a few month ago forced me to stay home. Even when it is healed i could not even go at night because of other commitment (and i do to the morning's kickboxing instead) That day was when i was finally able to clear my schedule.

As far as the kumite, i already explained in the background story. IT WASNT WHAT I INTENDED. I merely want to record myself doing their light kumite to have some footage to post it up for discussion because i thought it would be very interesting for you guys to see. And the instructor agreed. But that day there wasn't any kumite, so the instructor said he would arrange a kumite with three of his students. I agreed because i thought it would only be friendly cross training kumite. He did asked me what ruleset do i want, and i agree on Kyokushin Kumite because of the original objective. The rest is history.

So KounterPunch, shut the fuck off about things you dont know.
 
interesting... a couple of questions here:

1. your accident was on a motorcycle or moped? i must have seen one motorcycle during my entire stay in saigon. but i did see (and rode one) a bazillion mopeds...

2. so u attended two KK classes, got into an accident, huge break, then u went back and the very first thing you did was ask for a light kumite? is it usual for newbies to ask for a light kumite?
 
SaiWa said:
interesting... a couple of questions here:

1. your accident was on a motorcycle or moped? i must have seen one motorcycle during my entire stay in saigon. but i did see (and rode one) a bazillion mopeds...

2. so u attended two KK classes, got into an accident, huge break, then u went back and the very first thing you did was ask for a light kumite? is it usual for newbies to ask for a light kumite?
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I got like 6 different big gashes on my body, 2 on my knees too, it wasnt bleeding that bad, but it was really unconfortable to move around, not mention train or stuffs. It was on a scooter, to be precise.

The thing is that with the classes i attended to Light kumite is always part of the class at the end. It is two line of people light sparring and for every minute the line shift, giving you different partners every minute until the kumite end. Only experienced guys wail at each other harder while with people with less experience usually only spar around 20, 30 percents. It wasnt a public execution. And yes, newbies are in it too.
 
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Yeah.....I totally believe your version of the events.
Buddy , half the ppl on here want to smack you right between the teeth . I can just imagine what you're like in person.
Point is , you thought you were going to show them a thing or two and instead had no idea what youre doing and looked like a generic, rude "off the road" loser who got smacked around.

How's that for shutting the fk up ?
 
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