The END of the G.O.A.T. Debate | Page 5

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  1. Typrune Goatley Brown Belt

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    That means he fought guys who were roided up monsters like Kevin Randleman.

    But it was a level playing field so it didn't matter. Nobody was cheating if everything was allowed.

    What about UFC with Jones and Lesnar and Anderson? It wasn't encouraged but their fighters did them anyway which was against the rules, therefore cheating. DC passed his drug test but Jones didn't. That's not fair.
     
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    {<huh}

    you are very intelligent
     
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    you only have two options

    a) he was

    or

    b) he wasnt

    just like every fighter ... DC/whoever could be on roids
     
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    PRIDE was fought inside a ring, and the UFC is fought inside a cage. Already, we are talking about a different playing environment that can't be ignored. You need to account for it.
     
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    Yes. I realize that. Very true.

    I just think it is funny when people say "Fedor never fought in the UFC" because UFC had Justin Eilers and Paul Buenatello fighting for the UFC title while PRIDE had the deepest and most talented HW division of all time.
     
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    Let me simplify things for you, Michael Schumacher was a great Formula 1 race car driver. Dale Earnhardt was a great NASCAR driver.

    So, who is the GOAT race car driver?

    If, my point still doesn't make sense. Then you are not smart enough to bother with and/or you are being hard headed just to defend your position.

    Another example, there is a difference given a patient the same drug by IV versus oral tablet. The route of administration needs to be accounted for when you give a medication.

    If after all these logical examples, you still don't understand that the cage and the ring need to be accounted for, when comparing two athletes who competed (not only in a different era) but inside a different environment, then I can't help you. You need more academic schooling.
     
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    where did i say this?
    {<huh}

    and thanks for the "cage vs ring" thing ... mr.obvious
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    You could have summed that all up with one word. FEDOR. And you would've said enough
     
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    Lot of evident bias towards Fedor.
     
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    I prefer things unreal, like your avatar.
     
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    That is certainly not my argument. My argument is (1) PRIDE was ring fighting (2) PRIDE had very different rules.

    In my opinion, UFC and PRIDE are two different sports. It is similar to comparing a tennis player to a badminton player. Logically, it can't be done.
     
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    Beat every man he has faced. Fedor had a chance to avenge his losses, what did he do? Came out of retirement to fight fucking 2-0 jaideep (currently 2-3).

    18 top 5 wins - Most in MMA history. This is ironic because you would think fedor would have more since his delusional fan base constantly brings up his “10 year undefeated” stretch. How does he not have more top 5 wins?? Because he fought a shit ton of cans during that stretch. Prime example, 17-1 fedor vs 0-1 pro fake wrassler.

    It’s not debatable OP, next GOAT shit thread by these insecure fedora fanboys needs to get instantly wastelanded and OP needs to be banned.
     
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    So are you saying that Lesnar/Jones are cheaters because they got caught? Fedor was probably on the same shit but it just wasn’t against the rules of the organization he was in. I don’t get how people can call jones and lesnar a cheater and then call Fedor the GOAT when he was doing the same stuff, just never got flagged for it.
     
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    If Fedor avenged his losses, he would be GOAT.

    Instead, he's the HW GOAT. Not the overall GOAT.
     
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    You should add a sixth point.

    Who their equals, meaning people from the sport, consider the best.

    Guess who is the GOAT between .ost fighters?

    <Fedor23>
     
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    GOAT is an opinion, end of debate.
     
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    Fedor's unbeaten streak isn't that impressive when you consider half the people he fought were freakshow can fights

    Every fighter GSP has beaten in the UFC has been top 10 with the exception of Jay Heiron and most were top 5. That's insane
     
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    Nonsense. You think it does because you think size is the most important factor, even though its been proven time and time again that its not. Skill, speed, precision trump size.

    I would take GSP over Fedor in their primes any day. HW is simply not as skilled for the weight difference to be that much of a factor, especially for Fedor who was only about 230
     
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    Everyone who said Fedor said so 1) when he was actually beating people and not getting KO'd by MW's) 2) because guys like GSP and Anderson are humble enough not to say "I'm the GOAT".

    The vast majority of people in the know (journalists, fighters, ect) agree that GSP is the best
     
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